Reclaiming the Voice with Dominique Oyston

Jordane Maree: Hello, lovely, it is Jordane here. And I wanted to say a quick hello before jumping into this beautiful episode with Dominique. I’ve had some really nourishing time off and this conversation was such a gift for my heart and for my entire body to step back into this space and I can only hope it is just as nourishing for you. It is such a gift to have this vast array of incredible humans share their magic here.

And this journey just keeps reminding me of how much we are supporting one another, all of us adding our gifts and our magic into this big, beautiful ecosystem of life. This ecosystem that can only work when we are each coming from that place of self, of being rooted in our unique essence, the gifts that are ours and ours only, the things that we can add into life, that only we can add into life. That is how we support, that is how we thrive. And it shows us the perfection in uniqueness, in difference. It wouldn’t work if we were all the same, there would be no color, there would be no variety, there would be no movement, no art, no magic. And so I hope this reminds you of your so needed and unique and solidified place in this world. I hope it reminds you that you don’t need to step outside of yourself in the name of belonging or worth. Your worth is in who you are, behind all the facades and the outer layers, your worth is in who you are.

And even though this journey with the podcast is still new, I think that this is a message that will continue to shine through as we have or as we extend the variety of people here sharing their unique color or, on this case today, their unique sound. And I am humbled each and every day to get to be a part of that. I also wanted to touch on something throughout this coming episode. Dominique mentions the Sekhmet training on emotional healing, sovereignty, free expression and this feminine force that lives within each of us. And this training is a beautiful workshop that Dominique has created just for our Flow with the Moon members. It is a workshop, a meditation, a soul journey and sound healing all wrapped together in this beautiful offering for us to reveal and come into deep intimacy with our personal, authentic power and expression. I have such a deep respect for Dominique’s reverence to the power of the feminine and it was really nourishing and such a gift just to be in the presence of it.

And so if you resonate with what we explore today, where to find out more about our Flow with the Moon membership. I will leave some links in the show notes as we are also creating February’s rituals and energy playing practices as well as our astrology class of the month which is on the seven hermetic principles and how they shape the foundations of astrology. This membership is our sacred space of reverence to our bodies, to our intuitive nature, to the moon, to life and to soul and to the beautiful unfolding of our divine and very human paths. And so I hope you enjoy this conversation. I’ve also popped Dominique’s links and socials in the notes if you want to connect with her too. Enjoy.

Jordane Maree: Hello Dominique, welcome to the podcast today. I’m so excited to have you on.

Dominique Oyston: Hi, it’s lovely to be here.

Jordane Maree: Good. Excuse me, my excitement’s taking over. We just chatted briefly about just how huge it is to be able to use our voices in this authentic and expressive way. I think it, for me, it feels like I’m at a tipping point where my voice and where healing and expression and liberation through my voice is only just starting to become available. So this conversation is perfect timing. But I think that in general, allowing oneself to not only express through the voice but also be heard and then, and authentically as well, to express ourselves authentically and liberate this fear of being heard and seen, these are themes that I think so many of us are on a journey with. And so this is why I’m so grateful to have you here today because you’ve been on such a big journey yourselves and you’ve now arrived at a place where you’re supporting others to do this work. And so I would really like to start with hearing about that journey. So how you began your own healing journey with your voice and then arrived at a place where you’re holding the space for others to do that.

Dominique Oyston: I love talking about this. I really relate to you saying that there’s a tipping point, there’s this feeling inside of you that once you step through that threshold, there’s a whole new world waiting for you. And this is so true. Because collectively, women, we are all on a collective journey to reclaim the space for us to use our voice with confidence and with ease and be seen and heard after thousands of years of the masculine and men really taking up all, most of those spaces where the visibility through the voice is available. All those positions of authority, artistry, they’ve been taken up by the masculine. And so we’re on this collective journey for women to reclaim those spaces in business, in the arts, in our personal sort of leadership, in our emotional relationship expression, so many areas. And so how did that happen for me? What happened to me to actually start to reclaim the authentic voice? So there are very specific steps for me, and I think it happens a lot for other women as well.

And the first point is this, when you’re a child, you have this kind of feeling inside of you, for me, a feeling for the voice, a feeling for your own voice, whatever that means. For me, I used to go into the garden and write songs to the flowers and the fairies. And I would spend hours crafting these songs, and they had to be the perfect song for the wild rose and the perfect song for the forget-me-not, and the perfect sound and the perfect tone. And I never thought of myself as a singer, but when I went to a new school when I was a teenager, everyone was auditioning for the choir, so I thought, well, I’ll do that too. And so I went along, and they were all, you’ll sing. They made all these noises about my voice. And so I became one of the singers at school. And I honestly couldn’t think of anything to do with my life. I was so internally lost and internally confused about who I was at that stage. My family upbringing was in theater. My father was a theater director. He was a Shakespeare expert and a Stanislavski expert, and so my whole life was surrounded by performers and actors coming and going and doing their thing.

So the only thing I could think of was going on the stage. And so I trained as an opera singer, because I didn’t want to be an actor, because I’d look at them and I just thought, that looks way too much hard work. And I didn’t have that facility with language. I was very silent. I didn’t talk when I was a teenager. Not right now, but I was very emotionally blocked. So I had these huge emotional blocks and a huge package of self-dislike, self-loathing, emotional frustration. And those blocks held me back from just communicating at a normal level. So singing was the option. I trained as an opera singer, and I had a naturally sort of unloving nature, and I traveled the world, and it was very successful. And I just found myself in places occasionally where there were sacred places, and I used to remember when I used to sing to the flowers. And this sound used to come through me that wasn’t operatic sound. And so I started exploring that sound, and I explored it through training as a Steiner teacher, training as a yoga teacher, training in different healing modalities.

And I just sort of followed my gut, still being completely confused about who I was. And this went on for a very, very long time. And then when my second child was born, he was on the, so I needed to be home more. So I stopped all the traveling and gallivanting. And I started to create workshops, and from the workshops, I started to create programs. And at first, they were very conventional, because I didn’t know how to marry my understanding of theater and speaking confidently and the performance element and all those tools with my mystery side, my enchantress side. My healing nature. And so there was Confident Woman Speaker, get TED Talk ready, create your keynote. And then I started creating the sound healing programs. And there was the Lightworker’s Voice, there was the Art of Intuitive Toning, there was Song Healer, the Voice of Nature. And then there was Warrior Goddess Voice on the speaking side, and then there was the Elemental Goddess Voice, and then Heart Chakra Voice, and gradually these programs came closer and closer to one another, until the balance between speaking and sounding started to make sense to me.

And I started to realize that one of the pathways for women to become more sovereign with their voice is to chant and tone and sing and reclaim the mysteries and reclaim those ancient tools of the oracular voice when women’s voices were incredibly powerful. They were the most powerful voices in the land in ancient times. It doesn’t matter about the quality of the voice, when women started to tone or just make a few sounds or kind of connect emotionally with the goddesses, I work very strongly with goddesses because it’s the feminine, their speaking voices changed. The way they marketed their businesses changed, the way they stepped out and created a new identity changed. And so it’s this interesting junction point of — Oh, sorry. I had my email up to connect with you. I’ll get rid of it. But that’s how I created this platform, the goddess Voice Academy and all these programs that really speak to women who need to unblock emotionally, need to unblock karmically, and the genetic lineage of withhold and held back and suppressed and karmic wounds or this time lifetime wounds of not being seen, not being heard, shut up, you’re less than, all those things that we have attached to our voices as women.

And we’re so sensitive, we feel it. And feeling all of that is really hard. And so of course, we check out of the body, we numb over those feelings, we disconnect from the body and the body with the voice is where the power sits. So as an opera singer, opera singers love their bellies, because those belly muscles are the ones that can really give you the karate of the voice and the power. And when we’re emotionally in this state of turmoil or even self-doubt, there are degrees, it’s a whole spectrum that people feel. We do numb out, we do disconnect, we disconnect, we go into the mind and we lose that anchor of power, that feeling of power in our body, the substance, the dynamic, the self-identity that comes from when we are powerful in our bodies. So the Sekhmet training of course is, it speaks to the need for healing and it speaks for the need to balance emotional power and to become sovereign or to become freely expressed.

So the warrior tends to lead, she’s what we need, that archetype, we need her to cut through all this wounding, this damage, but then we need the heart and we need the love and the self-love to take ourselves forward after we’ve done some cutting away of the old. So there’s this balance of archetypes that form together to actually give us that true sense of freedom and sovereignty because women’s voices need freedom. We are looking to feel free to express, as you said, authentically. And so I went through this whole opera singer career, but it was a part of me, but it wasn’t the deeper layer of authenticity. It was a stepping stone and I think many, many women need to know these stepping stones. So we develop a certain skill and it’s a stepping stone and then we develop another skill and it’s another stepping stone. We develop another skill and it’s another stepping stone and we go deeper and deeper and deeper and at some point we start to really feel, know, find and embody the core of what we are here to express. The ultimate purpose. There are micro purposes along the way, but I teach women to actually source that ultimate purpose level and then it’s amazing what happens. People take off.

Jordane Maree: It’s interesting. You mentioned that you never saw yourself as a singer when you were younger. I actually wanted to be a singer when I was a young child and I haven’t made sense of this yet. I don’t know where that disappeared, but at some point there was just, I think it was a more gradual and more gradual, absolute disconnect from my voice. I can feel that when I’m doing some energy work. I can feel the connection to different energy centers, but as soon as I get to my throat, there’s this restriction. There’s the flow. It doesn’t move. It’s stuck. I’d love to explore a little bit more. Where was the moment for you when you started feeling that liberation?

Dominique Oyston: Well, I’ve had many, many moments and they come in increments, but there are a few key moments. One was when I was at Delphi in Greece and I was 19 and I was going on a gap year of adventuring to try and make sense of who I wanted to be.

Jordane Maree: As we all do.

Dominique Oyston: As we all do. And I stood in this amphitheater, there’s an amphitheater there, the Temple of Apollo, and I stood on the keystone and the keystone in these Greek theaters are fantastic because you stand there and the sound reverberates right to the back of the seats. It’s acoustically designed. They’re brilliant mathematics. And I stood there and I started to sing Summertime and I was standing there and I just felt this is it. This is where I’m meant to be. I’m meant to be a voice for the divine in sacred spaces. And then I thought, well, I don’t know what that means. So you walk away, but you have moments and then another moment with some — I was in a masterclass and I was with my teacher who is a former opera singer and she was a World War II star, but she couldn’t sing anymore because she had a heart problem. And sometimes she gets so frustrated with the students and she’d just be, she couldn’t stand it. And she came up to me, she said, “Dominique not like this, it’s like this.” And she opened her mouth and this river of sound came through her. She was built a tank.

And my whole body vibrated. And I understood in that moment, the power of vibration and that sound through the human voice changes who we are, even though we don’t necessarily always understand it. It shapeshifts us. It is a tool for manifesting, shapeshifting, healing, awakening consciousness and awakening self-identity. It is actually a tool that was used by the ancients that we don’t really grasp the power of. We sense it. You wanted to be a singer. You had a sense that your voice had something in you, some sort of magic. And usually we see that in the terms that we understand, I want to be a singer or I want to be a speaker or I want to be a business owner. But I think it is this deep call to the power of the voice. And there was another moment where my mum when we were teenagers, she ran away and joined this sort of strange church community run by, I have a very strange life, run by the most clairvoyant man I’ve ever met. Actually he was extraordinary and he was an extraordinary orator. And he was standing up the front of this strange little community and he said, I can’t, he said, I can’t stand it. If only you could feel what I feel when I connect with the Christ.

And it wasn’t conventionally religious at all. He said, “I want you to come up and hold my hand.” And so I thought, okay. I was there with my mum and I thought I’ll come along and I’ll try this. I went up, I held his hand and a similar sort of experience, this river of energy poured through me and it was electric and it was, again, I know that it was some sort of transformational experience. And that’s when I realized that there was something about energy as well as the voice. And you put the two together, you put the divine power of the voice and the physical, emotional entertainment power of the voice together and you have something that is quite revolutionary for people. So I could tell you more of these sorts of things, but I’m curious, when I said before that you wanting to be a singer was a call to some divine magic, what was your feeling about that?

Jordane Maree: I think you’re right in the sense that I was understanding it in the best way that I could. I was looking around at people that were expressing their voices and a lot of that was through singers. The feeling in my body when you said that, and which is the same as the feeling in my body when you’re explaining your experience with your opera teacher, it’s just this yearning for that kind of raw, open, unfiltered expression. I don’t think I have ever felt what I know is available, that freedom that can come out, just that liberation. I don’t think I’ve felt that, but I know that it’s there. And when I think, even for quite a long time when I’ve thought about singers, I’m like gosh, that must feel good. That must feel so good. And I want to feel that.

Dominique Oyston: And it does feel good. And this unblocking of the throat center has been actually a lifelong journey for me because as I said, I was very silent when I was a teenager and I almost made a vow back then. I said to myself, I will not, I will find a way through being able to express my truth and speak my truth without emotionally feeling like I was going to destroy people if they felt how angry I was. Do you know what I mean?

Jordane Maree: Yeah.

Dominique Oyston: There was that real backlog of rage. And some of us have grief, some of us have rage, some of us have despair. We have these jealousy, we have these emotions that sit at the gate of the throat center. And I did some cathartic work to try and clear that. And that was too rough for me. It was too harsh. So I thought I will find a way for people to be able to find that freedom and that open the gates so they’re safe when they express. Because this is important. This is one of the number one tools, things that women need. We need to feel safe to dare to reveal our power. We need to feel safe to — because we become vulnerable when we reveal our power. It’s a very vulnerable thing to do. And so my programs are designed to open the throat chakra safely. And it’s different for everybody. Everybody has their own personal journey to go on. We have unique individualized souls. We don’t have a group soul, the cat family or the — we have to all go on our own journey towards this.

And if women know that part of the journey to their power is opening up the voice, then and that it doesn’t matter that it takes a while and it doesn’t matter that you muddle through and it doesn’t matter if you don’t understand it at the beginning, you don’t even need to know. The voice is a mystery. And so these feminine teachings about this mystery of power and wisdom that we grow as we grow our voice I think it’s a really worthwhile teaching. I think it’s a much needed teaching because we come from the perspective of, I should be getting it right by now. Who says? And as long as we master certain skills along the way and really enjoy the fruits of that skill and then move on to the next skill, the next unknown piece. And as long as we understand that the feminine work walks with cycles and changes, she is always growing. She is always changing. She is always stepping into the unknown. She was always being initiated. She’s always looking for love and she is always needing to rest to gestate and integrate the wisdom and to die to think, to let things go as well. And to birth. That is her. They’re the five mysteries of the goddess. Birth, initiation, sacred marriage or love, rest and healing and death and letting go. They are the five ancient Celtic mysteries. And so the voices accompanies us on these journeys of transformation.

Jordane Maree: I’m really happy that you mentioned safety because I know that I could just intuitively feel that is it. For me, it’s a huge piece and I have no doubt it’s a huge piece for most people. What are some of the ways you think that we can begin to, even if we’re just at home, what are some of the ways that we can begin to bring safety into the voice?

Dominique Oyston: I think we need baby steps. We really need baby steps. And so I have sort of different theatre tools that I use, but I also use the myths of the goddesses. So you’ve got a Sekhmet myth in this particular training and Sekhmet is about finding the raw that heals. But to get to the raw, there’s often a very big journey. And so what you can do is you can tune into your heart because Leo rules the heart and you can start by humming. Just that little kind of cat purr hum.

Jordane Maree: That really does sound like my cat. That’s great.

Dominique Oyston: And the next step is to stop and notice the sensory somatic feedback from the body. Don’t go into the mind, don’t go into interpretation. We don’t need more mind. We don’t need more meaning. We don’t need more concepts. We need to start to sense who we are. And so you stop, you feel and then you go again. Rolled. Use the breath to just let it go. And then once again, be curious, stop, feel and then bring in the image of the lioness headed goddess into your sphere of vision. Now ask her to come in segment. There’s a chance. Sasehem Sahu in the training and that was the ancient chant of Sehmet Sasehem Sahu. You can say that once. And once again feel. Stop and feel. So usually we just go into action. The voice is a in principle. Listening is receiving the feminine. The voice is actually yang action. The activity, the masculine. And so to bring balance to the voice, we listen and we take action. We listen and we receive then we take action. We listen and receive. We take action.

And you start to build and open up and then you say what would a Sehmet do if she was faced with a challenge. She might open her mouth and go. Do you know what I mean? It’s such a silly noise. But and then just close, stop, and check the safety. Because you sometimes even a simple noise like that can make us feel incredibly unsafe. And so then go into the affirmations. I’m safe. It’s safe for me. Put your hands on your belly, on your heart, on your body. You touch, you give yourself that touch reassurance. You lean against something. You lean against a wall. You get back up on the wall and you say, I’m safe. I am taking myself through this portal of power into being safe to make a noise with my voice that is unconventional. You know what I mean? You get fierce. And you get loving and you get supportive and you talk to yourself. And then you stop again and you listen to your body.

And you listen. And it’s so slow. It’s so gradual. And they’re the tiniest of shifts. But it’s incredibly powerful because we don’t listen to ourselves. We don’t listen to what our voice does to us. The effect of our own thoughts in our body. The effect of our words in our own body. When we step out of our comfort zone and our body and we need to build a relationship between the voice and the body, the voice and the heart. The voice and our sensory power. The voice and our imagination. The voice and love. Loving our voice. How many people don’t love their voice? Most women. So this is a big journey of reclaiming our sovereignty and our power and our glorious beautiful light. It really is.

Jordane Maree: Do what’s really exciting me as you’re speaking? As you’re you’ve named Sekhmet as an archetype and there are many more. It feels like through this exploration of the voice. You get to meet so many different aspects and corners of yourself that you haven’t yet met.

Dominique Oyston: Oh it’s so true. This is why I love working with the goddesses and I have quite a vibrational to me they’re real. So there’s the archetype version and then there’s what happens when they go into your body and you go I feel that, oh my gosh. And starting to know them as real beings and energies and with qualities that ignite your own goddess qualities inside your own kind of consciousness and your body and your energy field. I love that.

Jordane Maree: That’s so great. I wanted to ask about you may have already mentioned this but when you are working with your community when people are coming to you for the first time and you begin pulling back those layers of what’s underneath that hesitancy. It’s so much stronger than hesitancy but that hesitancy to share the voice. What are some of the common themes that you usually find underneath those layers?

Dominique Oyston: So absolutely the need for safety. That is absolutely fundamental and the brilliance that it’s every woman has this treasure hoard inside her and these gifts and these abilities and what I find is that sound awakens memory. It awakens karmic memory. It awakens soul memory. It awakens genetic lineage memory of the times when women were powerful. And these memories start to fill women’s beings more. And there’s these spontaneous shifts. I call them spontaneous miracles. Depending on the subject with the warrior I’ll tell you a story. One of the clients in the warrior goddess voice we were doing the four voices of the medicine wheel the feminine medicine wheel. So the maiden voice the mother voice the wise woman voice and the crown voice. And she was in her back garden and this guy jumped over the fence and he obviously looked pretty dodgy and shady and he was sweating and he was saying where do I go where do I what do I do?

And he was obviously on the run because we’re police helicopters nearby. And she’s agoraphobic. She’s very, very, very scared. She’s had 10 years where she spent 10 years on the couch. And she said something happened inside of her and this voice came out of her. And she said it was a mixture of all those four voices. And she said you have to go that way now over that wall now. And she said it was such the right blend of compassion, innocence, authority, and fearlessness but not bravado. Truth. And he did he went thanks. And she just stood there and she was like what happened? But she was so excited because that was the beginning of her realising that these voices were inside her and she didn’t have to know it consciously all the time. That when it was needed if we embody these memories, these essences, these qualities, these goddess qualities enough of the divine feminine then we get back up. We get supported. We get loved. We get resourced. And so it’s these resources that these inner resources that seem to appear and shift people all the way through. That’s one of the other things that happens basically all the time.

This is why that sort of sense of sovereignty and ownership. It’s not like you have to teach me something else or you have to teach me something else. They are empowered to speak, sound, build a business, talk with their families in their own way. And it’s this individualizing thing that seems to happen.

Jordane Maree: You mentioned last time we spoke. And I don’t remember this exactly but I have some notes here. So hopefully this will make more sense to you. You mentioned having intentions and missions with your voice. So I think you said something that really struck me was do you want your voice to be a sword to cut through or do you want it to be more supportive and nurturing? Can you speak a little bit more to that? That was just great.

Dominique Oyston: Absolutely. So this is where the narrative comes in. So I teach women how to unfold more of their purpose. How to understand what is distraction and what is absolutely their path. And setting an intention to achieve a certain outcome with your voice is very important. Because usually when we tap in in the right way we actually tap in to the quality, we tap into two things. We tap into the qualities of voice that we have already mastered somewhere along the line. But we also tap into the quality of voice that is our growth edge. Where we are going to realize more of our self-identity if we actually develop that quality. And so setting an intention in the right way through all the three soul centres not just mind but mind, heart and gut. An integrated intention for what you want to do more of with your voice. It calls on all those inner resources that I was describing before to actually position themselves and around that intention and supercharge that intention.

So you set an intention and your inner resources tend to organize themselves around supercharging that intention. So you can choose and this is where the theatre comes in wonderfully. You can choose to be a spear that roars for blood. If you want to be an advocate say for animal cruelty. You can choose to be a wonder among the flowers if you want to just lighten up the room wherever you go in. Do you know what I mean? You can choose these things for your voice. And the voice because the throat center is aligned with truth and lies. Vishudu means purification. What happens is that the things that are not true for our soul very quickly become obvious when we start to work our voice. So we often start working our voice. Oh I want to do this with my voice. We start we practice and then we get to a point where we go oh that doesn’t feel right. And most people think that that’s failure. That’s not. That’s the job of the throat center. It’s purifying. You’ve tried that and that’s like a no. It’s Thomas Edison with his 99 ways to find out how not to create a light bulb.

Where you have 99 ways to find out how not to use we don’t, how our soul doesn’t want us to use our voice. And so it’s really important to keep encouraging ourselves. Oh that’s not it, I’ll tune in again. I’ll set another intention and I’ll see where that one takes me. Nothing is lost when it comes to the voice. We get to a point where we become wisdom keepers. We can offer that wisdom to others.

Jordane Maree: And is that an intention that you have for your voice? Sharing that wisdom?

Dominique Oyston: Yeah. My intention actually has always been to awaken the voice of the divine feminine within every woman on the planet. To bring balance. Because there is currently an imbalance. And there’s also for a lot of people a lack of spiritual relationship that is not dogmatic. A relationship with the divine and your inner light and your own soul and your own spirit that is true for you. And also that is useful in an earthly sense. I teach people to create their signature soul program. I teach them to do a magnetic interview. I teach them to create their origin story. So I help women with their businesses because we want to be useful. We want to have those places I think I mentioned at the beginning to start to fill those places that have been void of woman’s voices for so long and they’re everywhere. In personal relationships, in families, in politics in all sorts of leadership, in healing, in creating and being an artist. So women’s voices everywhere. But I would to awaken them as what I would call a unified voice. A voice that is intellect emotion.

So emotion, feeling, thought, soul, spirit, body, that holistic voice. And that is when we actually feel most free. We feel most free when we’re using our voice as a complete truth. And that’s where bliss comes in. It just this is so good. And that changes from moment to moment. This is the beautiful thing I think about a soul journey is in that moment. Say when you’re 25 a complete experience of your voice. A holistic experience of your voice will be one thing. So you can have that fabulous experience. And then when you’re 28 something else they’ll be oh no it’s not it anymore, I need something else. And then you have another experience of a complete voice that’s fantastic and you think that that’s it and then you go maybe there’s something more. So you keep going down the path and having these beautiful awakened experiences and awakening experiences along the way where more and more of you gets built into this identity piece. It’s very satisfying.

Jordane Maree: Oh I can feel it as you’re talking. I can feel that satisfaction.

Dominique Oyston: That’s why I have so many programs to really honor the fact that there are lots of pieces along the way that people want to integrate.

Jordane Maree: And I really do appreciate how much you emphasize that it’s piece after piece. It’s you’re putting this puzzle piece together. That goes on for your entire life, where impatience can be so easy when you’re coming from that place of I’m not enough as I am. I need to get somewhere to fulfill this.

Dominique Oyston: Aching. Longing. And sense of why. I was so ambitious when I was younger. I was so ambitious and I was so sort of empty or disconnected from the wellspring of spiritual wellspring of my motivation and so I can really relate to that.

Jordane Maree: You mentioned the words oracular expression or oracular channel?

Dominique Oyston: Yes.

Jordane Maree: Can you help me to understand in greater depth what you mean by that?

Dominique Oyston: Yeah. So in ancient times the women were seen as being better intuitive channels than men. So there were the prophets and they were very often masculine but women had this connection through their ability to need to be intuitive and sensitive to birthing a child. The needs. And so they had this greater intuition and it was well recognized. And there were some women who had particular talents as intuitive channels. And that intuitive channel in ancient times is different from the spiritual channel we have now. It was an earth voice channel. So the wisdom of the earth spoke through these oracles. And they were as I said people would come from all over the world to speak to the oracle. It was people would make pilgrimages that took months or years to come to the oracle. They were incredibly powerful. And as I said they spoke their channel their oracular channel was through the spirit in the earth. Earth is incarnated being in as much. It just happened to incarnate as a planet. And pretty much a goddess who incarnated as a planet.

So they spoke with this wisdom. And we as women now the mistake that I think we can easily make is to think that we go back to speak in that ancient oracular way with just the voice of the earth. But what has happened is the channel from source has actually opened up through the mind. With the explosion of the intellectual soul in ancient Greece. So the channel is now from source through the central column of the human being into the earth. And so we can speak intuitively and with this sort of prophetic oracular capacity by tapping into source and by tapping into the earth and by tapping into our own nature, our own individual nature, our own heart, our own I am consciousness. And the challenge with this is it’s very complicated to discern what voice is most true. Because our intuition has access to all the streams of spiritual information that exist. A heart. Well through the heart we can actually access everything.

So when women spoke in ancient times through the voice of the earth they just needed to build a really good earth channel. Which was easier in those times because we were in nature and there wasn’t technology. So building an earth channel wasn’t actually as complicated. Whereas now here we are. We have to build an earth channel when we’re really disconnected from our body and the elements of our own body. And we don’t sense into our own body enough. We have to build a source channel. We have to build a heart channel through to our own individualized soul and our own spirit. As well as the spirit and the spirit in the earth. And that is complicated and we tend to interpret through the mind very easily. So we tend to intuit primarily through the mind channel. And look for meaning. The mind is so quick. Our minds are brilliant. And they’re very quick and they want to be satisfied with oh that’s the answer. Boom, boom, boom. And we don’t spend enough time getting the full picture of the information through body, heart and mind. I don’t know if that’s quite answered your question.

So the oracles are from ancient times and we have to be oracles and let’s say intuitives in a new way. In a more conscious way. In a way that is actually so reliant on discernment of energy. Is that energy really my soul speaking to you? Or is that my liver which is really kind of angry and do you know what I mean? What is actually who is speaking? So we have to develop this discernment with our intuition. And the ancient oracles would often go into a trance. They just stepped aside. And they said right earth speak through me and out they’d come. They used hallucinogenics. They used they used steam and gases to change their consciousness. So they were spoken through. Whereas we have to stay boundaried energetically. We have to stay intact and really holding our I am our individual boundaries energetically physically emotionally mentally and we’re full of conditioning and programming and we’re bombarded by so many voices saying do this do that.

We’re full of our own inner longings that are — we’re full of karmic wounds. We’re full of genetic kind of imprints from our — we’re full of stuff. And so this discernment that is needed I think is our task. To discern what is true for a start for me. And to sense that with every part of ourselves. And then to start to work with what is true for us. And to grow it and to express it. And to take the time to know it.

Jordane Maree: I appreciate all of those words everything you’ve mentioned so much and it that is such a huge thing that’s been coming up for me in my life actually. Really clearing away a lot of what is in my energy field, what is in my mind, what is in my body that is not mine. Because there’s a lot.

Dominique Oyston: Oh heaps. And there is for everybody and um that’s part of being human. We are literally in the age of psychology. At the age of psychological chaos really. That has been brought about after this separation from spirit. So the mind body and the split and the the sort of consciousness material spirit split has caused this incredible psychological chaos but it’s meant to be. It’s actually…

Jordane Maree: It’ one of the cycles.

Dominique Oyston: It’s meant to be this is what we humans are now right. Part of my purpose is going to be to unravel the psychological which chaos in my life which means emotions thoughts, sensations, body work, soul work, spirit work, self-expression and it’s like that’s what we’re here to do and to not think that that is wrong in any way. We are finding our way to the center which of course the heart this is why the heart is so crucial. I’ve only done my heart chakra voice course once but the changes were quite extraordinary in the people who did it and that’s when I realized that finding a way to the center through all the noise and getting that stillness so we can actually start to hear and discern. It’s pretty much the work of every human being on the planet.

Jordane Maree: I think so.

Dominique Oyston: It really is. And my challenge to everybody is to embrace that and to almost gather your banner and be Joan of Arc galloping onto the battlefield and say, “Yes I am here to be a warrior of light.” And that means unravelling, my own conditioning, my own emotionsM my own soul yearnings my own gifts and abilities, my own light and my own voice and launching it into the world in the muddle that it is but loving it all the same.

Jordane Maree: And I think that what you were speaking to earlier when I asked you what are some of the things that we can do to begin expressing with safety you said make a sound and then stop and listen. See what it does in your body. I think that’s a really great way to begin to discern what is yours. Not only does it bring you into your body which helps you with that groundedness with that healthy separation but I think when you are listening in such an embodied intuitive way and something comes out of your mouth you can be like that didn’t feel real. That didn’t feel like me.

Dominique Oyston: Instantly. And the level of disembodiment is so huge at the moment, but it’s starting. There’s a lot of embodiment work out there and it’s fantastic. And so my piece I suppose is to talk to how can you add your voice into embodiment but embodiment that contains an awareness of your spirit within how spirit works within your body and how your soul works within your body. Because if we didn’t have a body we wouldn’t be able to do anything obviously. So our spirit and our soul want to work through our bodies. They want to take up more space inside us basically. And so my piece is to add voice to that journey that all of us are on really whether we know it or not.

Jordane Maree: And I think that is such a powerful and necessary piece that I’ve gotten so much from this conversation. Thank you for that.

Dominique Oyston: I don’t think there’s many people that have made the connection between — the difference between the oracles of old and the way we now need to be truth speakers and intuitive speakers. That there’s a huge gap in that understanding. So the more we can get that out there, that voice, we’re more than we were back then. The human consciousness has evolved and so we have a different channel. It’s a really important piece.

Jordane Maree: I’ve never heard that before. And what I was thinking when you did mention that, is it feels like there’s been almost this pendulum swing of it was this earth channeling, and then it just went to spirit channeling, very disembodied, I’ve heard a lot of stories about people that do channel from those upper centers. That it fries their nervous system afterwards. It really wreaks havoc on their body.

Dominique Oyston: And the body needs to be telling you, no, don’t let that, yes, no, don’t let that energy in, let that one in. And you’ve got the thing is humans, there are actually so many energetics wanting to come through us. We’re surrounded not just by people, but plants would love to come through us. No, plants voices, animals voices, spirit, all sorts of spirit energy voices would love to come through us. And so if we’re not discerning and saying yes and no, and really, really clear, then we can absolutely get fried and we can get stuck and knocked around. That is actually really common. And again, it’s just the learning curve, isn’t it? The pendulum swings so beautifully. I love that.

Jordane Maree: I’ve never heard of anyone speak to earth channeling before. That I want to learn more about that. I need to know more about that.

Dominique Oyston: There’s nothing out there. There’s very little out there about it. Actually, no, that’s not true. But it did used to be kept in the mysteries and the mysteries were secret. And if you revealed the secrets of the mysteries, then you would be killed. So it’s not necessary. The full body of the secrets of that sort of channeling is not necessarily available to us. But we don’t need to do it that way anymore, because we need to do it this new way where we include everything.

Jordane Maree: You mentioned different plants and animals wanting to be expressed through us. Is this something that you play around with? Do you go visit your garden and see what voices or noises want to come through?

Dominique Oyston: I sing to my plants and they love it. And I always tell them which way I want them to grow. And I explain, say, my apple tree was growing out over the path. And I said, if you keep growing out of the over the path, you’re going to be chopped. So if you’d to keep your branches, just grow upwards. And it did immediately, vroom, right upwards. And it was okay. This is the thing that the Fyndhorn teachings have the most beautiful body of work about that. So if you are into talking with nature, I highly recommend starting to read about Fyndhorn.

Jordane Maree: Fyndhorn.

Dominique Oyston: It was a place in Scotland where this clairvoyant went and her partner and a couple of them, they went to this place in Scotland, this absolute sort of rocky, nowheresville place. And they spoke to the spirits and the spirit said, look, we’re going to help you build a garden for seven years. It will be like the Garden of Eden and it will create this movement throughout the world. And they did. And the incredible plants and the vegetables were huge. And the lady spoke with the fairies and they told her what to do and her partner and they would plant and he would do the work. And I’m really condensed. But one of the reasons that they were able to speak to her is because she was very introvert. She kept away from people. She really just had, she took care of her channel. And so she was very, very discerning with her channel. It’s much harder for people nowadays. This was in the 70s because our children have phones in their hands almost when they’re babies and so they’re not free energetically. They’ve been bombarded with technology images that fill them up. And so people are less and less free to tune in at the moment. It’s quite a challenge.

And so the more we can step away from that, the more we can find time in nature, the more we can actually do the work to be still and listen after we sound. So it’s important to do both. You need to get feedback on something. You need to take an action, then get the feedback, take an action, then get the feedback. It really challenging. That sounds so negative, doesn’t it? But yes, this means we have to deliberately seek out the places where we can start to grow the discernment and the sensitivity of our channels.

Jordane Maree: I absolutely agree that it’s such a huge thing right now. I realized I was shown it very strongly just recently. I went on to an Instagram page just randomly. I was on there for about 10 minutes and then I left. And then I realized for the next few days while I was kind of out and about in the world, I still felt the presence of this person’s energy that I visited their Instagram page of 10 minutes.

Dominique Oyston: I know, it’s so comfy.

Jordane Maree: I was still in my field.

Dominique Oyston: And this is we have to be discerning before we step onto social media. We just have to take a few minutes to check our boundaries, put ourselves in a bubble of light and say, I’m going to listen really carefully to who I’m meant to look at and who I’m meant to interact with. And we’re going to be amazing when we really get this. People are just going to be so amazing and it’s going to be really clear. Oh no, I can’t do that now. Just that confidence to say, that’s not right for me now. And for that okay to be rather than, that’s a bit weird. But nurturing our energy and growing into our discernment and trusting that we’re not going to miss out, that our soul has a certain path organized for us. And we have the free will to step off and on and off and on and off and on.

But the path that our soul has chosen is the quickest path to our bliss. And most of us are getting sidetracked a lot because it looks really exciting and interesting. I know I’ve been sidetracked so many times because — but I need this because I’m not enough and that looks really good. And I know until I started to actually learn to listen, I was always burning out. Always burning out. Just crazy how much I burnt out. That’s one of the other things that you mentioned before, one of the outcomes for people who do the trainings is that what comes up is how different it is not to burn out and still be able to move forward and grow and explore something that you just feel so enriched by.

Jordane Maree: Well, I’ve noticed that through my exploration of discernment alone in the past year, of really clearing out what is not mine, what is not mine, keep going, keep going. It’s an everyday thing. Through that, I have so much more energy. There’s so much more of me available and it is so great.

Dominique Oyston: And so women have been in these positions of, just being doormats because we had no choice in the past a lot of the time. Our voices had no authority because society had diminished feminine authority, female authority. And so of course we have a journey towards rebuilding our ability simply to say yes or no.

Jordane Maree: That in itself is huge and challenging.

Dominique Oyston: That was a huge people pleaser. I still am. I still have that programming and to say no to someone that I know is not right is, oh gosh, that presses all my buttons still. But I have the tools to say no with confidence and clarity and for it to feel really good and negotiate with my past conditioning trauma responses. You will be they’ll never you again, they’ll never speak to you again. It’s that nutty voice inside that goes nuts when you say no. Oh no, I can’t talk tonight. It can be anyway. Recovering people pleaser here. I love how the goddess has helped with that.

Jordane Maree: Thank you so much for all of this. I think it’s so activating and nourishing to see someone, to see a woman especially embodying their power in such an authentic way. And it’s such a gift for me to receive. And I hope that whoever is listening to this can also receive that as well. So just thank you for sharing that.

Dominique Oyston: That’s my pleasure. And it is we’re all on that journey, aren’t we?

Jordane Maree: Yes.

Dominique Oyston: Every single one of us has challenges and gifts and we walk between we balance those as we walk and they go up and down. That deep trust of ourselves is needed. It’s been so lovely talking to you.

Jordane Maree: Me too. Thank you so much.

Dominique Oyston: You’re such a young, wise woman. Absolutely beautiful. Beautiful.

Jordane Maree: Thank you. I appreciate that.

About Girl and Her Moon, the Podcast

Join us as we:

⊹ Explore our hearts in one-on-one conversations.

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⊹ Explore soul-based systems through which we can understand the world.

From topics like self-worth, creativity, expression, intuition, Soul, coming home to self. To astrology, numerology, tarot, channelling, business, energy, healing, akashic records and more. And topics that are undefinable and ungraspable. Exploring what it means to be alive, to be rooted in both our divinity and humanness, and returning to the space where they are one.

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There are no expectations here. Only spaciousness and invitations for truth.

At the core of this adventure:

Connection. Vulnerability. Authenticity. Truth. Love. Expansion. Realness.

Where we share from truth, not fear.

Where we witness the innate power in our vulnerability.

Where we take off the masks of expectation, of needing-to-know-it-all, of performance, of abandoning-the-self to fit in.

Where we explore self, and all that we meet as we stumble our way through this beautiful human experience.

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Jordane

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