The Magic of 11, the Numerology of May, Intuition & Repeating Numbers with Natalie Olsen

Jordane Maree: Hi, beautiful, just a quick introduction to this episode with the magical Natalie Olson, exploring the energy of 11 in numerology.

We do go in quite a few directions, so I thought I would just give some context. May in numerology is an 11 month, and 11 is what is called a master number, and holds almost this greater intensity and magic in its presence and essence. Perhaps you’ve already been feeling that as we are a little bit into May already. So throughout this episode, together, we will explore what that means, what it means to have May as an 11 month, how to align with this energy and open to its power, and how May fits into the overall energy of 2022. We also dive into connecting with intuition, seeing repeating numbers, a little about relationships, and we finish with the last part of the episode quite raw and very up close and personal. It is a longer episode, and it was such a joy to have, and if you resonate with Nat’s energy, you can find her @numerologychick on Instagram. Enjoy.

Natalie Olson: There we go. I see.

Jordane Maree: Okay. Yes. Amazing. I wanted to start with why you said yes to being here. What’s exciting about it?

Natalie Olson: Well, I think my first answer is because of you, and I think that’s important to note because you and I share something really, I think really unique and common. Tell me if this is true for you.

Jordane Maree: Mm-hmm.

Natalie Olson: I don’t identify at my core as a numerologist. I see myself more as a philosopher and a poet who uses numerology and spiritual exploration to tap into wisdom, to gain wisdom about the nature of ourselves, about life itself, and about God. And in our connection and in our correspondence and in the content that you’re producing, I could feel that, I could feel that from you, that we each have our modalities, we each have our tools, but they’re this language or vernacular that we use to tap into something that feels so different. Does that make sense?

Jordane Maree: No, absolutely. And you’re right about all of that. I think I’ve expressed before that astrology has been so much about the lens through which to explore life through, not about something that is outside of me or something that is an identity or a heart or a knowledge base that I can become an expert in, it’s something that can hold me, that can widen my perspective. And also, I think it’s, I’ve been sitting with this recently, something that can remind me to step back and see the divinity in each movement, in each moment, in each, like, whether it feels like a moment of just like breaking down and having no idea what the hell is going on with extreme emotion or whatever it might be, or whether it’s moments of just total bliss. Astrology and numerology, to be honest have been something to help me step back and witness the bigger picture, the bigger picture that holds all of the individual little movements within it that we’re moving through, but just stepping back and seeing it all as this divine orchestration of life.

Natalie Olson: I love that, a divine orchestration of life. It feels like it’s a way for us to fall in love with, as you might call it, life, and I might call it to fall in love with like my creator or with [00:05:50 – crosstalk]. And it’s been a way for me to read the love notes that my creator has for me.

Jordane Maree: Yes. I love that.

Natalie Olson: And so I hold it loosely. I know that sounds weird, but I love what you were saying about not identifying with it or developing an identity around it, but it’s something we hold loosely, it’s something that we read and we decode, but that at our heart, what we’re really doing is, is falling in love with these undulations of life, falling in love, collaborative relationship that we have with this bigger and greater energy. And I think the reason why I do this in the first place, like the real core of it is to fall in love with our own capacity.

Jordane Maree: Yes. And you do that so well. I can’t speak for how well you do it for yourself, but you do it so well for other people. Something that like you have supported me so deeply through being you also by holding up a mirror through the lens of numerology. Like just you mirroring to me the way that you see me through this language that I can connect with has allowed me to see myself so much more deeply. And that is like, that’s the biggest gift ever I think. It’s also given me a new roadmap through which to support myself. So I think there’s been times where I’ve come to you and been like, I just can’t get this, I can’t figure this thing out, I can’t wrap my mind around this and understand it properly. And you’ve been like, well, you’ve got that 11 there, that 11 there is asking you to X, Y, Z, and it might sound so simple, but it is so hug. Just having that light to guide you, that support to hold you when you feel a bit rocky, I love it.

Natalie Olson: It’s everything. It’s everything. I don’t know why I get so emotional about it, but I relate so much to what you’re saying because for so much of my childhood, my teenage years, and my early twenties, the things that were most precious about me and that made me the most lovable and the most incredible were the things that I thought were wrong with me. And when you have an ability to develop that self-awareness of what your gifts are and the purpose that was placed on your heart, when you can kind of decode that, to me it’s the equivalent of like, sounds really cheesy, but it’s like unrolling ancient scroll, like in a movie where you’re like, this is who you’re meant to be. And I want to go back to what you were saying about being an 11 because this episode is a really personal episode to you.

Jordane Maree: I guess, yes.

Natalie Olson: Because May is an 11 universal month, which we’ll get into what that means, but so much of what we’re going to be talking about is going to be the heart of Jordan. It’s going to be the essence of you and the greatest gifts that you have. I think it’s really beautiful that we’re doing this episode and that this energy that we’re talking about and this incredible powerful month is something that’s intimate to you.

Jordane Maree: Yes, definitely. Because it means that, like I’ve said to you so many times, it means that I don’t need to come from a perspective of this is the knowledge I’ve gained, but it just means that I can speak from my heart, speak from my experience, just explore freely and untangle deeper understanding and insight through those words. So I’m so excited. I’m so excited.

Natalie Olson: Me too.

Jordane Maree: Can I just bring something up?

Natalie Olson: Yes.

Jordane Maree: You very casually, yet so powerfully said in a vox that I listened to this morning.

Natalie Olson: I love Voxer.

Jordane Maree: It’s so good.

Natalie Olson: I’m so grateful for that app. Yes.

Jordane Maree: It’s the best. You said something like, I don’t have the full context, I just wrote down a few words, “It’s about becoming best friends with yourself and with the zero.” And just that small sentence that you said about the essence of 11, everything in my life just suddenly made sense. I was thinking, and this might sound super dramatic, and it kind of is, I don’t know how I would exist without my connection to myself and without my connection to life or the universe or God. I just couldn’t.

Natalie Olson: And there’s a lot of people that aren’t like that, and that’s okay, but that’s the essence of the 11. You’re spot on. Okay, so can I explain to people why?

Jordane Maree: Absolutely.

Natalie Olson: Because this is me nerdy now. Okay, let me back up for a second and share like a fun nerdy fact, and then we’ll drop into why the 11 is about being best friends with yourself. So if I get lost, will you bring me back?

Jordane Maree: Yes.

Natalie Olson: Okay. So when I first went to college, I majored in religious studies and philosophy, and I became enamored with this idea of studying religious tradition and studying spiritual phenomena. And so I actually started to study the new age spiritual movement, and it blew my mind, okay. The religious scholars said that the new age movement that really broke out in like the 1960s had one very unique distinguishing factor that set it apart from all of these other spiritual religious traditions they had studied up until that point. And it was something that they called source amnesia, which is, and it’s so confronting, I have to tell you.

So what it means is that the new age followers and the alternative spiritual movement, the people within this movement would believe something just because somebody told them. And so they wouldn’t investigate and explore where that concept came from or where that wisdom came from, and when I heard this and I read this, I was like, oh my gosh, that explained so much. And it explains a lot for me about why it had been challenging for me in the beginning of my numerology career to get fully on board because source amnesia, it’s runs rampant where we read something in a book and we go, well, I guess it’s true.

So my whole point of sharing this is that I really went deep into my study of ancient mathematics to figure out why, for instance, the number one or a double one, an 11 is associated with honoring of the self and falling in love with yourself. Why is it associated with individuality and with the sanctity of your individual self? And it’s because ancient mathematicians noticed that life cannot exist without a container, life cannot exist without a single thing that has a boundary around it.

Jordane Maree: I love that so much.

Natalie Olson: Isn’t that amazing. So biologists say this in books is, life cannot exist without a container, and that’s why you see circles everywhere. That’s why you see in the number, the circle was the ancient sacred geometry shape for the number one, because it’s the first thing that is born, it’s that first thing that comes out of that pool of infinite possibility, it’s always a circle. So that is why when I talk about the 1 or the 11, why we dive deep into this concept, and why we’re diving deep into it here in May, of the importance of falling in love with your individual self, your preferences, your dreams, your desires, and why it is so incredibly important to listen to that inner voice that shows up when you’re at rest, when you’re quiet, when you can only hear the whispers of yourself and that bigger, greater energy is because the other kind of nerdy fact is the one is close to the zero, the source, God.

It’s the first thing that comes fresh out of the field, you could say. So there’s this deep, deep almost need for each other. We all have a need for spiritual connection, but it’s been observed that people with, especially with an 11, that they need to have that spiritual connection because your uniqueness and the fact that you’re so different means you need to have your cosmic best friend at your side to be courageous enough to stand out.

Jordane Maree: Yes. And I was writing down some notes leading up to this today, and I was feeling into what it feels like for me to fully say yes to that 11 energy in my being. And it was so much about collaboration. It feels like every step that I take life is by my side. It’s in front of me guiding me, it’s behind me holding me, it’s by my side hand in hands, everything is such a collaborative effort, such a supported, guided, held effort, and I would be so lost without that. Oh my gosh. Well, you have that 11 energy as well.

Natalie Olson: You have it in a really strong position. It’s in the expression number position. I have it, it’s a little bit more quiet, it’s in [00:17:22 – inaudible] urge, but it’s there, and it’s the same for me. I feel like I’ve floundering fish. I feel like a different person when I am not connected to that.

Jordane Maree: Yes, my gosh. So what does it mean then when we say a universal year or a universal month, we’re talking about 11 as the energy of the month of May. What does that mean?

Natalie Olson: So, you could say that there’s two realms of study in numerology, just for the sake of simplicity, you could say there’s personal, individual numerology, and so that’s where we decode and study a person’s numbers, pattern and power inside of them. And then there’s universal numerology where we study the patterns and powers around us. So when we talk about universal timing cycles, we’re talking about decoding the energy of the year and decoding the energy of the month so that we can better leverage the territory that we’re collectively walking through. That makes sense?

Jordane Maree: Absolutely. That’s quite beautiful. And I found so much, I don’t know if I want to say the word accuracy, there’s something else, so much depth in just holding up a single number and seeing how present it is actually throughout your month, especially throughout the year. My personal years, universal years, they’re so present, the energy of it. It’s crazy.

Natalie Olson: Aren’t they profound? I know.

Jordane Maree: Yes.

Natalie Olson: I know. I was thinking about that. My husband and I had our anniversary and we met in a six personal year for me, which is typically a time when you really want to commit and your heart is very open to long-term commitment. A lot of my clients come to me in a five personal year or a nine personal year because they’re huge turning points. The five is like change, upheaval, sometimes chaos, the nine is the end of a cycle, death before rebirth. It’s crazy, the accuracy of these cycles for sure.

And to be honest, you and I have talked a little bit about this, but to be honest, it’s taken me a while to philosophically wrap my mind around how to talk about timing cycles in such a way that align with my spiritual beliefs. Meaning how can we talk about timing cycles without believing that there are external forces enacting our fate? And so it’s the way that we look at it and the way that we view it is that these timing cycles, they’re helping us understand this basic truth, and that’s that we do live in a beautiful, varied universe.

We are surrounded by incredible forces. If you just go out at night and you look at the stars, you just see that you are like at the whim of so much outside of you. So there are external forces that we’re swimming in, and I kind of have this visual that we’re swimming in them and we can leverage them, we can harness them to say, this is what’s on my heart, this is what I would love help in creating. I think it’s really important to say, because it can be used in a not so useful way sometimes.

Jordane Maree: For sure. And it’s the exact same with astrology, and that makes me think of, I’ve tried to explain this before to you because it’s a little bit out of reach for me to fully grasp, that the sense of timing cycles, astrological movements as small or as big as they may be, being one with that in a pool, being one with our unique path that is guiding us forward with that thread that’s pulling us forward with the desires that are true to self. Like you spoke about a timing cycle that shifted for me recently on my birthday, I didn’t know about that, yet here I was yearning to stabilize, yearning to not feel like I’m swimming on top of, but really sink into and create something stable. And then you come along and you go, yes, this is what your numerology is saying anyways.

Natalie Olson: Of course.

Jordane Maree: So I believe that the desires that are pulling us forward are so divinely timed and intertwined with those movements, cosmic movements, astrological, or numerological.

Natalie Olson: That’s so well said.

Jordane Maree: So you mentioned– sorry to cut you off.

Natalie Olson: No, go, go.

Jordane Maree: You mentioned universal six year, did you want to explore that a little bit?

Natalie Olson: Yes, because when we talk about May, it’s really important to understand that May is this cosmic assignment sitting underneath the umbrella of 2022. And so each month of the year is serving this higher purpose, this higher mission that we all have together. So universal year is talking about the collective energy that we’re swimming in 2022, and it’s talking about what we are being called to embrace or to work on or to embody. And it’s really key to understand that this is so that we can grow, so that we can expand, so that we can experience the joy of life. That’s what these are about. So 2022, as down to number six, and this year the sixth universal year is the year of the healer.

And so this is where we’re going to feel called to feed and nourish the dreams and desires that are on our heart and to tap into next level service. The way that I imagine it is 2021 was this year where there were big changes, a lot of people moved, a lot of people changed careers, changed locations, just had this awakening of some new desire, and then six comes along, and the six is like, okay, now it’s time to feed and nourish this new lot of land that you’re upon, now it’s time to develop the habit of taking responsibility for this next level dream that’s on your heart. So there’s that. I have more to say, but I’ll pause if there’s something coming up for you.

Jordane Maree: No, I think I was just kind of internally laughing at how crazy last year felt with the five universal year.

Natalie Olson: That’s crazy.

Jordane Maree: Oh my god, it was intense. I think when that comes around in 10 years or whenever is next year, I’m going to need to really sink into the purpose of it and not just try to fight against it, which I totally did.

Natalie Olson: I did too. I did too. Did you guys move? Didn’t you move?

Jordane Maree: We moved back to Australia, so we literally moved like to the other side of the world.

Natalie Olson: And same for us. We moved, well, not to the other side of the world, but we moved, I had been my, for gosh, the last, my gosh, my whole life really. But anyway, I’ve been in California, Oregon on the west coast for most of my life, and then we moved like way, way up north onto an island, and it was a big change, and yet, it was a response to the prayers I had made for wanting to live my best life, but I was kicking and screaming the whole way.

Jordane Maree: Me too. So stubborn.

Natalie Olson: Yes. So now we’re in this six year, and so the six year is really just saying, okay, I want you to develop a habit of feeding what’s really on your heart. Because in the five year, it was like, oh, like if we were unsatisfied, if we weren’t experiencing the pleasure of life, if we weren’t feeling that Christmas morning excitement about our career, our relationship, then we were really called to make some big changes. And now that the six comes in, it’s like, okay, you have to develop the habit of feeding this and nourishing this. And so here’s what I’ve been really sharing a lot on Instagram about this six year, it’s another way of coming at it that wakes people up.

The six is about breaking the habit of codependency and breaking the habit of meddling in other people’s affairs. Because the thing is, is that it’s the archetype of the healer. And so we think that to heal others or to help others or to be of service, it means that I’m going to focus on other people, I’m going to give to other people, I’m going to be generous. And you might be listening to this and say, yes, that sounds accurate, but what numerology teaches, and I think it’s a really beautiful promise, it teaches that to be a true healer is to have a clean house, to have a healthy relationship, to have your own garden blooming. It teaches that we engage in self-neglect, disguise, disgenerosity, we disguise hypocrisy as this noble virtue of I am giving of myself.

And so this is really this confronting time of am I going to stay focused and connected to consistently feeding my dream and not giving up on it instead of going and trying to fix other people or even having a loyalty to the people that you love that might not be ready to have a blooming garden. We have a loyalty to hold ourselves back from thriving, from flourishing because we have a loyalty to stay down in the pit with other people. So these are just some of the thematics that can show up with the six.

Jordane Maree: I had a thought when you were saying a lot of that. The five almost felt like a search for more in a lot of different directions, and that to me felt quite distracting because I was meddling or just getting busy in a lot of other things that weren’t me. And then it feels like this year is asking me to strip back so much and have my voice almost the only voice. Is that in line with what you were saying?

Natalie Olson: Yes, it’s in line, because visualize if you had this beautiful new lot of land where anything is possible, you can plant anything you want. You have these seeds from 2021, like the seeds of I don’t want this anymore, so here’s what I want, that’s usually how it shows up. So you have these seeds and so you can plant them, but what is required is, I love that you said the stripping down, what’s required is as cliche as it’s now become, the boundaries to say, you know what, you’re not allowed in my garden, you’re not allowed in my life or in my space unless you’re contributing to not taking away from this incredible dream or this incredible desire. The stripping down part, that was really well said.

Jordane Maree: This year feels like such a stripping down, like so much is being peeled away, but it’s with that peeling away that you really get to witness the light, the center that’s always been there, and it’s beautiful.

Natalie Olson: That’s beautiful, what you just said, because I think it’s the stripping away of all of the distractions that have been keeping us from focusing on the inevitable manifestations that are wanting to come through. I really feel like it’s just like planting a seed, if you water it and love it, it’s inevitably going to grow. But the problem is that we have really crafty ways to completely walk away.

Jordane Maree: Real sneaky.

Natalie Olson: So sneaky. I’m going through it. I’m going through it too. It’s like, oh my gosh. I did not realize that I have this habit of wanting all my girlfriends to be happy, healthy, abundant before I can go to the next level. I’m just contacting everybody, I was like, wow. I was noticing I had a habit of wanting to convince my closest loved ones, this is actually going into the 11 a little bit because the people pleaser is the lower function of the 11, but trying to convince my loved ones of this new thing that’s on my heart, trying to get everybody on board so that I can finally feed my garden. Why don’t I just start feeding my garden? Why don’t I just bring it to life? Why don’t I just let the garden feed me back and see what happens when I actually, as you said, and I love this poetry, what did you say? When you feed life, life feeds you. It’s like when you feed your dream, it’s so precious on your heart, and you really feed it, it’ll feed you.

Jordane Maree: And I think it’s the thing that can feed you the deepest, the fullest, like the yummiest, it’s like your source of nourishment, your biggest source of nourishment, your desires, when you say yes to them, the fulfillment is unlike anything else.

Natalie Olson: When you say that, it’s just like I can feel it, I can feel it in my body when you say that.

Jordane Maree: So you said the 11 sitting up top, I mean, sorry, the six is sitting up top.

Natalie Olson: The six is like a year.

Jordane Maree: And we’re stepping into an 11 month. So the way that I kind of visually see that is, have you ever seen like tight ropers, tight rope walkers in the circus, and there’s that thingy underneath it, like the

Natalie Olson: The net.

Jordane Maree: The net, yes.

Natalie Olson: Yes, that big, yes.

Jordane Maree: Yes. Each month feels like it has a fabric holding it or a net holding it. To me, that very much feels like numerology with that at 11. Does that resonate with you?

Natalie Olson: Beautiful. What a beautiful visual. I love that. You know how I use this concept of– I was just thinking about that. I used the concept of a cosmic assignment, and another way to think of it each month being a cosmic assignment is, it’s like, to your point, it’s like this gentle loving wave, it gets you closer to the fulfillment of the six because what the six of 2022 wants, what it really wants is it wants you to be flourishing, to tap into next level service by finally prioritizing and investing time, resources, and energy in your desire, that’s what the six wants. It’s saying, you’re going to be of service and you’re going to change the world if you focus on yourself, your family, and your dreams, focus.

That’s what the six is saying. And every month is this beautiful wave that’s saying, here’s this magical push, this magical tool or energy that you can use to step into that more powerfully. And so, the 11 of May is incredibly powerful because it’s basically saying it’s time to shift a pattern or a model in your life. And because it’s the 11, it’s a pattern or pre-established model that is in regards to how you are in relationship to yourself, and whether you’re honoring your individuality and your uniqueness. Basically what it’s saying is that to go to the next level and feed your garden, to see what you want flourish even more, you have to go through this rite of passage of listening to your inner voice, becoming best friends with yourself and trusting your inner guidance more than what you’re getting on the outside.

Jordane Maree: Yes. Wow. Sorry, my mind just went to your Truman show, but I really want to bring that up. Can I just say something really quickly and then we’ll explore your Truman show example because I’m really excited for that? Is this an 11 energy? I feel like this is almost six and 11 maybe, or maybe I’m just bringing all of my experience into this thought.

Natalie Olson: Oh my gosh, because by the way, you’re a six life path and an 11 [00:37:46 – crosstalk]

Jordane Maree: Yes.

Natalie Olson: [00:37:48 – crosstalk] that till now. Okay. Yes, keep going.

Jordane Maree: Okay. So my thought is anything inauthentic cannot exist, anything illusions, shattered, false senses of identity, of security, of the moments where you’re leaving yourself in order to fit in or anything like that, it just feels like none of it can survive in this climate of the 11.

Natalie Olson: Yes, that’s perfectly on point. It’s like the opposite of the one, or the thing that kills the one is fitting in, it is conformity. You’re nailing it, and so, yes. So you cannot thrive nor survive an 11, if you have an 11 in your chart, you cannot survive or thrive if you are still functioning under this premise that you must fit in and you must conform to the preexisting models of living, of thinking, of being, of doing business, I mean, fill in the blank, right?

Jordane Maree: Yes. Because I see this energy so much of being fully present with what’s here, what exists, what we can see physically and touch and live in, but it’s almost like the other foot is in the future or the possibility, or like there’s one foot in presence, one foot in future, but fully present in both of them somehow, and that other foot is letting us see the mistruth in what currently exists and saying we can do more, not even more, we can do more aligned, we can do more truthful, we can do more exciting, we can do more magic.

Natalie Olson: That’s because the thing is, is I love that you used aligned, because the 11 is like a mirror. So, it’s basically saying it’s time to not only honor yourself and honor your personal preferences, desires, et cetera, but it’s time to identify, to notice, to embrace anything that mirrors that. So it’s attracting aligned people, aligned opportunities, aligned ideas, and noticing when those show up so you can jump on them, so you can say, oh my gosh, this is what it feels like to actually touch something that is honoring me, not tolerating me, but actually to attract those people, those opportunities, those situations that are hungry, that have been praying for the preciousness of who you are, for your uniqueness and your individual unique ideas. So the Truman Show.

Jordane Maree: Yes.

Natalie Olson: Okay. So I watched that movie a long time ago and I was like astounded at the parallels of Truman Burbank, the character played by Jim Carey and the 11. Okay, are you ready for this?

Jordane Maree: I’m so ready. I’m so excited.

Natalie Olson: Okay. So most people know the movie, but basically the movie is about this man who grows up in this little utopian town of Sea Haven, but it happens to be a film set and it’s all simulated in this dome. And his parents and everybody in the community are all paid actors, but he doesn’t know he was born into this, he was born into this reality TV show. So he started getting these intuitive feelings when he turned 29, which adds down to 11. Isn’t that incredible?

Jordane Maree: Yes.

Natalie Olson: Like, who are these film screenwriters, do they even know, do they even understand? But so on his 29th birthday, it was like this switch went off, and it was like the things that used to be okay, or the things that used to be normal, the things that used to feel all right, suddenly they don’t anymore. He started to question things, he started to wonder what’s beyond the town of Sea Haven. Every time he would try to drive to get out, there’d be some sort of like —

Jordane Maree: [00:42:56 – inaudible].

Natalie Olson: Yes. So he started to just go, what is this? And what’s so profound is that they had programmed him since he was a little boy to be afraid of the water. They told him this story that somebody died in the water.

Jordane Maree: I think it was his dad.

Natalie Olson: His dad died in the water. So he never went in the water, the only other method of escape from this paradigm, from this construct. But finally, near the end of the movie, he had this mental break, and he takes to the ocean in his sailboat, and he nearly dies from this huge big storm. And the bow of his boat runs into a wall, runs into the sky that was a wall because it’s this big dome, and this could make me cry. When the boat ran into the wall, he starts sobbing.

And the reason why was because it was relief and it was validation that all along, his intuition was right, that all along the nudges that something better is out there, that he can be more, do more, and have more, that all of that was spot on. And so he meets up with this doorway to the outside and it just says on it, exit. And right as he’s about to open the door, or I think it’s like after he opens the door, the director of the reality TV show, like the voice of God, comes on the loud speakers and says, “Truman, there’s nothing through that door. There’s nothing through that door, stay right where you are, that’s safe.” He says in my world, you have nothing to fear. Which is so appealing, isn’t it?

It’s so appealing to, instead of break out of that paradigm, instead of listen to your inner voice, it’s so appealing to do what’s safe, to conform, to listen to what others say is best or to what others think is right, but Truman steps through the door anyway because something was impelling him, something was calling him, something bigger and greater, and he knew if he stayed, he was going to be resigned to mediocrity, he was going to live. And so, as dramatic as that sounds, that’s the energy of the 11. It’s this sense of I know that there is something that I’m saying that I’m done with. There’s something I feel that I’m done with, a construct of some kind, so that I can now move into that next level.

Jordane Maree: I was just thinking when you were talking about that, I think something that I said previously, and I was trying to explain this morning, actually, to Mustapha, he was like, what are you talking about 11? And I was like, you see a system or a structure, a paradigm, whatever it is, and there’s a part of you that can see beyond it, like simultaneously. And a lot of the time, it’s not as clear, but you just know, you know, you know, you know, and undeniable know that there is beyond what’s currently present. That to me, that’s evolution, that is forward movement of who we are as people, individuals, collective. On a larger scale, I hope this doesn’t sound too far out there, but it really does just feel like 11 comes in like just this bodies of energy just pops into the earth.

Natalie Olson: Oh, I like that.

Jordane Maree: And it just shifts everything because it’s present with what’s present currently in the structures and systems on the earth, but it’s so true to the self that is connected to the more. And so the more it says yes to that, the more you say yes to that, there is more, turn the volume up of who you are, just say yes to self, it just naturally shifts. It naturally shifts everything around it, it naturally shifts the entire environment because you’re just being that energy so brightly, so boldly, so widely. So I’m so excited for me.

Natalie Olson: I am too. I am too. It’s like a new beginning on steroids because what it’s doing is it’s saying I wish I could have– well, this is recorded, but I wish I could rewind back to what you were saying because there was something you were saying in there that was, oh, turn the volume up on the self. It’s like that new beginning, that attracting aligned opportunities in people and scenarios can only be generated when we say yes to the energy of the 11, when we welcome it into our front door, when we say, I’m going to turn up the volume on my precious self, on the inspirations that are wanting to come through. And I feel like there’s some really good questions to ask ourselves to personalize this.

So somebody might be listening, and they’re like, okay, I get it, I understand this concept of saying yes to self and honoring our guidance, but how do I integrate this? And I think the first question that’s really important to ask with the 11 in particular, because master numbers 11, 22, and 33 in numerology are paradigm shifters. And what that means is it’s like what you were saying, it’s completely breaking through to the other side. And so it’s like saying more is possible, there’s a new story or a new invention, or a new way of living that I know is possible. Like a paradigm shift in a bigger context would’ve been– like a pre-established paradigm was when women couldn’t vote or drive cars or have bank accounts.

And then the paradigm shift happened when we came together in the suffrage movement and said, actually, I think that there’s this new possibility that we can have that right. So that’s like an example of the paradigm shift. So you ask yourself, what paradigm do I feel called to shift in my life? What pre-established mode of being in my business or in my relationship or in my life am I done with? What is the thing that I’m done with?

Jordane Maree: And I think what you were saying before about conforming, for me, that’s a very powerful question. Where do I feel like I’m conforming? Where do I feel like I’m leaving myself to create what I’ve perceived as success or what other people will enjoy or what I think other people want from me? Where am I leaving myself? Where am I conforming? Or even to break that down a little bit more, lately, what I’ve been doing, and this feels deeply connected to our conversation, so I don’t know if we’ve spoken about this, but sometimes I just pop out my notes and I say, what is annoying me right now? What is confusing and frustrating and I just can’t get my head around? It just doesn’t feel right, there’s something off here. And just popping those things down and witnessing them, that in itself has been so powerful because it shows where that misalignment is, it shows where I’m leaving myself for whatever reason.

Natalie Olson: That really hits me. That really hits me because I hear two things in there. It’s breaking the paradigm, it’s breaking the pattern of conforming, which is such a habit, it’s so huge. And actually I want to talk about something here. So you know how everybody is seeing 11 and 1111?

Jordane Maree: Yes.

Natalie Olson: So this kind of comes back to that. So I don’t want to take it off. Is it okay if I go in this direction?

Jordane Maree: Oh my god, yes.

Natalie Olson: Okay. Because it’s just connected so much to what you were saying. I believe now in our world, the reason that we’re seeing 11 and 1111 more than ever before is because archetypically, it is this thematic that’s happening in our world, in the collective. And the thematic is that we are conforming now more than ever before, which sounds kind of insane because you would say listen, there’s so many people that are doing their own thing and we all have our groups, our political groups and our belief groups, but we’ve developed such a habit of consuming other people’s content, other people’s lives, other people’s thoughts that we’ve become completely disconnected from our inner voice. And even, it’s groundbreaking to journal in the morning, it is.

Most of us don’t do it because so many of us don’t even hear that voice. It’s there, it’s always there, but it’s drowned out by the noise. And I think it’s the noise of conformity, it’s the noise of expectation, It’s the noise of consuming through social media or through the internet. It’s so weird, isn’t it, that we have access to more knowledge and information than ever before in the history of humanity, and yet there’s this incredible downside to having access to more information than ever before because– right?

Jordane Maree: Yes. Well, I think there’s so much value on– this is kind of going in a bit of a different direction, but there is so much value placed on people being experts at certain things, and so therefore, why trust the self unless I’m an expert at something. So just as a quick example, so many people have experiences of, there’s something going on in my body, let me go to a doctor. Doctor says, no, there’s nothing wrong. You’re good, you’re fine, leave it. And there’s just this voice, this knowing, no, there’s something going on, there is something going on, there is something going on, but we are never encouraged to put that voice first. And that is across everything. It’s so prevalent in business as well.

Here, do my business course. Let me give you the structures to create success. Let me show you how to make a six figure a month or grow your Instagram to 10K whatever, drown out everything that guided you to begin whatever you’re beginning, and just listen to me, leave yourself behind and listen to me. There is so much value in returning back to self and really trusting, even when it doesn’t make sense, trusting the small, intuitive guidance, the steps. I always just visually, I get to witness how the small steps add up.

We take a step from where we are, and we take another, and then we take another, and then just by taking those small steps, another branch comes out or another branch comes out, another possibility opens, we open this door, and then there’s like five other doors there that we had no idea were even available to us. But we couldn’t have reached unless we took that first step, unless we opened that first door without knowing the full picture. Like this podcast, I’ve spoken to you about this so much. Sure, some of it makes sense in a practical way, but it doesn’t– just stripping it back completely. Podcast doesn’t give direct money.

Natalie Olson: Not an obvious link.

Jordane Maree: Not in an obvious way, and so, there’s this question of, okay, why are we doing this? And that is answered by so much more than just money because this is the 11, just like not even gently guiding me forward, it is like pushing me so loudly. Like just go, go, go. But beyond that, I know that this podcast somehow will result in more financial support as well in a way that I can’t comprehend yet and I don’t need to. But taking this step opens up all these other threads that I couldn’t have seen from where I was back there. I don’t remember how I got here.

Natalie Olson: No, it’s so perfect because everything you’re speaking to is the energy, the vibe of the 11. I want to go back to what you were saying about– I just want to put words to this, crystallize it. You were saying we’re taught to believe an expert to give up our own autonomy because somebody knows better than us. And that is a habit that we all have, but it’s something that we process under the thematics of the 11.

Do I stand in solidarity to what I know to be true for myself? That’s the double dose of the one. Or do I focus on people-pleasing, conforming, and being a devotee of others more than I am a devotee of myself? So I just love that you brought that piece up. And then the other thing that was coming up for me was, have you ever heard, okay, this definition of confidence, and it’s that confidence is knowing that you’re going to make the right decisions for you.

And I feel like that’s another way to come at what you’re saying is that there’s something that’s– I almost believe there’s something supernatural that happens when we take that leap of faith and say, I trust myself, I trust myself more than I trust my husband, I trust myself more than I trust my parents or my business coach or the author that I read that I deeply respect, I trust myself more than those people because I know that I’m the only one that knows me, I’m the only one that is connected to my creator. I really believe that nobody else is privy to what is possible for me, and to the most amazing way to embody that, but me and my creator.

And that’s a revolutionary notion, really. It really is. It flies in the face of a lot of what we’re taught. And I’ve experienced that when we follow the beat of our own drummer, when we make the decisions that are right for us, we’re supported. There’s nothing that’s more irresistible than somebody that’s impelled, somebody that’s pulled, somebody that’s inspired by something that’s true to them, that’s what alignment is. God, it sucks to live a life where you’re not honorable, where the outside isn’t marrying what’s really going on the inside

Jordane Maree: Does not feel good.

Natalie Olson: I feel like that’s the secret to business success too. It’s to just make sure that what’s on the inside is congruent with what’s going on on the outside. I’m still working on that, but I’ve noticed that that the most flow, the most impact, the most creativity comes when that’s what’s going on, when that’s what I’m focusing on.

Jordane Maree: I feel like that’s the only place that fulfillment can come from, because otherwise, the success, the outside success, when it’s not deeply fully rooted in personal truth, it comes at you and it bounces off you, it can’t get in unless it’s coming from here, then it can feed back in. And my God, I’m having so many revelations around this. It’s insane. I sent you a Voxy the other day about the connection that I’ve constantly been able to wonder at in total, or with numerology and astrology coming together each month. That’s been something that I’ve been doing for close to three years now in the membership, and I don’t have the numerology depth that you do, but it is something that speaks to me, it communicates with me, I can feel it.

Natalie Olson: I concur.

Jordane Maree: The timing of this 11 coming in May, along with the eclipse seasons, I’m just going to speak from my experience. Leading up to now throughout this year, has been quite intense, quite tumultuous, there’s been a lot of, again, that’s stripping away that I was speaking of earlier with that six year, stripping away of what you thought was yours, or stripping away of your what you’re clinging onto for a sense of worth or a sense of fitting in or success, whatever it might be. There’s so much stripping away for me happening, and then this beautiful bright light of 11 comes, and it just says, let me lead you, come back inside. That light can only be accessed from within, it’s not outside of us. And the same with eclipse season, it’s so much about illusion shatters, what isn’t truth just falls away. And that sounds poetic and beautiful, but far out, that can be intense.

Natalie Olson: That’s challenging. It’s hardcore.

Jordane Maree: Yes. To have that, just gorgeous. You know what I was thinking about the 11, to me it’s so much about zooming out and reorienting myself with the perspective of the divine. And so, you could be going through it like just in the thick of it, waves kind of crashing everywhere around you, and you’re just like, help me, and then the 11 comes and it zooms you out and you’re like, oh my God, this is all in the most divine, beautiful timing, it’s happening perfectly, and I’m so grateful that it’s all happening and I can just chill out. I don’t need to struggle through these waves, I can just like float on top.

Natalie Olson: Well, yes, because I think the funny thing is, is that the 11 comes along and starts to deliver evidence that maybe what we were wanting before isn’t actually what we wanted, and that how thrilling is it to actually have that thing, but have it in an aligned way, have that thing, whatever that thing might be that we’re desiring, when it actually resonates with and embraces who we really are. I feel like for a lot of us, May is going to be a time when we’re going to start to see evidence that what we’ve been doubting does exist.

If you’ve been doubting, are there people out there that are like me that want to be friends and have meaningful conversations, are there clients and customers that want to pay me for the services I provide? Is there a partner that can cherish me and be weird with me or whatever? It’s like we’ve been having these doubts for the start of the year, which by the way is on point. We’ve been having these doubts through the first part of the year of I know this is what I want, I know that this is my desire, and why isn’t it coming? And I think that 11 comes and it says, as long as you stay focused on the voice inside, not conforming, but focused, really staying focused on following your heart and what is true to you, you’re going to start to see evidence that those people, those opportunities, that they exist.

the 11, it’s like two like-minded people, two beautiful mirrors coming together. That to me is like aligned success. I think we talked about this. I don’t want money. I want to receive resource for who I am, for the greatest gifts I have, I don’t want a soulmate partner. I want to have a partnership that is truly aligned with, and reveres what I have to offer and vice versa. I feel like that’s aligned success and aligned manifestation.

Jordane Maree: And something that was coming up as you were saying that is this 11 energy feels like it’s reminding us that we are worthy, we are magic, that we are deserving of all of those things because 11 does feel magical to me. It’s the energy that I think of when I see a flower and just like, oh my God, just want to bow down in reverence to just how intricate and beautiful and how does this even exist kind of space. It feels like it’s almost like life wants to do that to us. Look at how freaking incredible you are, look at how magical you are, look at how worthy you are, look at how just divine you are, can you just see that for a moment? And then when you see that for a moment and you begin to like, oh my God, I am, and you get to embody it a little bit and spice it up, that’s when those things just like a magnet come straight to you.

Natalie Olson: All you got to do is focus a little bit, just focus for minute, just focus for a minute on falling in love with yourself, listening to yourself, having an entertaining relationship with your inner world, and then like you said, let things come in, let things come in that match that. You know what I was thinking when you were saying that is if you know an 11 in your life, you know exactly what you were saying, so if you meet somebody with an 11, there are these sparkle ponies, they’re in awe and wonder, like at a flower, there are people who can elevate really fast.

They’re like, oh my gosh, you have this idea that’s yes, anything is possible, let’s go. Like, that is an 11, that’s you, that’s me. I have a girlfriend of mine who also has an 11 expression number, and it’s like talking to a motivational speaker, and she’s like, you can do anything, let’s go, let’s do this. It’s that, and so you’re really t touching upon this is an energy and a thematic that exists in the universe that lives in certain people in a dominant way like you, and that now we get to actually swim in and leverage for our dreams and our goals. So 11th.

Jordane Maree: I feel like we’ve been touching on this the whole time, but what are some of the ways that people can really sink into, be fed by, be resourced by this month of May with the 11 holding it?

Natalie Olson: Well, the first most powerful thing that clients have told me they’re having 11 that puts them at their best, is to have peaceful alone quiet time. And I’m not necessarily talking about a spiritual practice because the seven in numerology is more of an energy where it’s like you go and you talk to your God or your creator. The 11 is more of like, go and journal. Go and sit with your voice. Ask yourself what is my heart saying? Where is inspiration guiding me? That’s really key. So sit with yourself, create some alone time to hear your inner voice, answer the question, where is inspiration guiding me?

And can I say that I want to steal your question because it was so brilliant. Is where am I conforming? Because that’s a really brilliant way to identify where those old paradigms might be. To clarify what is the dome that you need to escape from? What’s the limited way of thinking or living that you need to break free from so that you can really hear the inspiration that’s on your heart?

Jordane Maree: And because I think the subtle connection, and it gets led up, but the connection that we have to what is behind and underneath what we can physically see, touch, smell, or whatever, that is present in so many of, if you’re listening to this, it’s probably present in you, that ability to sense when something isn’t quite right or sense when there’s discord in something, or sense when you are leaving yourself that little bit or sense when someone says some words, and you’re like, ooh, I’m not, something off about that. Or even when you hear yourself, I do this a lot, I hear myself and as I’m talking, I’m like, oh, this isn’t my truth, but I’m just going to say it to get it out anyway.

And so, value the subtle awareness of discord when something just– there’s something off there. Follow that thread, see where it takes you, because when you start to let a lot of that subtle pull and connection to energy flow behind what’s physically present, not only do you just get shown so many steps of the way that your intuition or your soul or your guidance, whatever is so on point and to be valued, but I think that’s honestly the number one thing to transform lives, to come home to that fulfillment that we’re talking about, that aligned living, and not just living, or not chasing, but coming from self.

Natalie Olson: I’m remembering a client of mine who had 11 in her chart, her practice was when her husband would ask her, where do you want to go eat? She would tell him.

Jordane Maree: Nice.

Natalie Olson: And because the propensity of the 11 is to say, but what do you want? I don’t care, whatever you want. Or at night when it was time to like a TV show together, she would just watch whatever he wanted to watch. And so that’s sort of another way to look at this is that, I love what you’re saying is notice those moments when you might be diminishing yourself, your preferences, your desires, and your voice. And it’s not about being selfish and saying, what I want is what matters, but it’s saying, we are equals or I am equally as important as you, my needs and my desires are equally as important as yours. And that’s another way to honor this self as we’re interacting with other people.

Jordane Maree: Because you can only– how to explore this. You can only share your magic when you’re deeply rooted in your magic, when you’re deeply present in self, you can only then share that self, because otherwise you’re kind of giving with no substance or sharing with no substance unless you’re deeply rooted in yourself and saying yes to yourself with your volume fully up, that’s the only place that you can share from.

Natalie Olson: And what’s crazy is that I think everybody can relate to, we’re slightly different when we’re dating than when we’re in long-term relationship. I think back to when I was dating my husband and I had 11 energy for sure. Do you know what I mean? It’s like, I’m going to do my own thing, and I’m like, you can look at me, watch me go, but. And it’s not that I’m not engaged with and have a deep reverence for the other, but it’s like I know that what I want, what I desire is equally as important as them. And so when we’re in that dating energy, it’s really the vibe of the 11. It’s, I’m honoring myself. I’m listening to myself, I’m making sure that I’m leaning in to what puts me at my best. And that’s most of us in the initial dating stage or like in that state, and then some of us can lose that energy going in and say that.

Jordane Maree: I read something the other day that said you can be– I don’t know if this is the right way to put it, but I’ll say it and then maybe fix it up. You can still be drained by things that are on purpose or in purpose, or you can still be drained by the people that you absolutely love and adore. And that doesn’t mean anything less about your love for them, their love for you, the divinity of coming together with them. It doesn’t mean any less about this thing, this path that is in your purpose just because– you still need that space to come back to fullness, to then show up in fullness in these areas.

Natalie Olson: That is a profound one, Jordane.

Jordane Maree: Well, that’s not mine. I read it somewhere.

Natalie Olson: It’s so profound because I’ve done– so this was maybe four or five years ago, but I really got into relationship coaching because I love love, it’s one of my favorite subjects. But I discovered something really fast, and it’s that the transformation was, 99% of it was working with an individual on simply honoring themselves and learning how to communicate what honors them. It was insane how simple it was that when we’re not coming from that place of I’m taking responsibility for being in my fullness and for expressing what I want, what I need, what puts me at my best, when I’m not in that, even the best of relationships, even the most amazing partner cannot deliver a result, cannot be productive, cannot actively meet you where you want them to. And that’s another podcast episode we could do on love because it’s fascinating. It’s fascinating to talk about that and dive into that.

Jordane Maree: That takes me back to something that you said, which you said something again very casually in a Voxer, and I was like, oh my God. And then I literally wrote an entire email and 20 Instagram posts born from this thing that you casually said. It was about saying no to self by thinking that you’re saying yes to other people. It was about what if what everyone else needed and actually desired, like heart desired, was me in the full expression of who I am. And for me, that’s so relevant in a more business perspective. I’ve communicated this to you, I think quite a lot, probably. When Girland Her Moon started, I was just blogging, I was just making fun posts, it was in my three energy, and that for me, it was just like poems and writings and massive essays and just art, everything was art, and it was beautiful. And that’s where Girl and Her Moon grew.

And then I was like, oh, this is what’s needed for me, this is what other people want. All of these things that I wasn’t doing when Girl and Her Moon was born. And so I’m trying to slip into those boxes. I’m trying to say yes to all of those outside things. And then I’m thinking, why the hell, why? When Girl and Her Moon was born by me being me, am I trying to say yes to what everyone else, what I think everyone else wants when obviously, I mean, not obviously, but maybe what can be the deepest service is just being me.

Natalie Olson: I think there’s a quote. Who is it by? Hold on. I just wrote this down. Thomas Merton, “To be a saint is to become myself.” And another one, I don’t know who said this, but “When we are who we are, we delight God.” And these were Christian mystics that were playing around with this idea. You know what I was thinking when you were– I was thinking, an example of this in business, like the most horrible business advice that I think is being given and needs to be retracted is ask your audience what they want. Okay, there’s a caveat to that. If you’ve developed this audience based on who you really are, and you’ve curated it so that it’s truly a like-minded community, then maybe that would work, but I don’t even know if that would work.

But that advice of, ask your audience what they want from you is the most horrible advice that I’ve ever heard because you’re basically doing the 2 instead of the 11. You’re saying, I’m going to give to you what it is that you want without a regard for what’s on my heart to give without listening to my inner voice, without assessing what are the things that I most need to hear, what are the words that I need to hear off my own tongue that put a smile on my face. That’s where you and I share this in common. It’s like instead of being a numerologist and astrologer, I feel like there’s something else that’s guiding us. It’s almost like being devoted to the art that there’s something coming through us, There’s some kind of reverence that’s coming through us that we want to express.

And I have this belief with all my clients too. I really believe that we each have our own special thing that we’re creating. Maybe it’s a message that we’re expressing or a story that we want to share, a service that we’re offering, but I actually believe that it’s just rooted in who we are and what we most want to be and what we most want to do. And that’s where the magic is, that’s where the breakthroughs are, and that’s where the mind bending impact lies is sitting in that and devoting ourselves to that. And if we do that, then the audience comes, then the results, the next level impact is inevitable because it is so deficient in our world. People who are true to themselves and who are truly listening to that innovative original guidance that’s coming through them, it’s so rare. Although we all have that potential, but it’s a lost art. The 11 is a lost art.

Jordane Maree: So much came up for me when you were saying that. I’m just going to explore this and hope, fingers crossed that it will find its way kind of weave itself together. Again, coming back to the stripping back, coming back to not stepping outside of the self and acting from there, and coming back to only truth can exist. And it really is so much about seeing that value in your uniqueness and saying yes to that and sharing from that. When we’re growing up, we are taught to do the exact opposite. There’s so many external forces that very subtly and sneakily try to push that down and say no to that. And it really is like this sacred act of rebellion to see the value in self and to share from that value. That’s what’s been really, really present for me. And yes, it makes me come back to what I said earlier. The 11, it’s like this bright light shining on each of us saying, you are fucking magical.

Natalie Olson: Yes. Being who you’re.

Jordane Maree: Yes. It sounds so simple, but it’s everything.

Natalie Olson: It takes such practice, but it’s available to all of us. And I think, speaking of divine timing, I think for a lot of the people that are listening to this, it came right when it needed to come, the 11. It’s like, I feel like so many people are trying really hard to create a new beginning, trying really hard to make things happen, trying really hard to flourish. And the 11 comes along like magic, like a lighting bolt, and saying, if you come back to yourself and listen and honor that voice that’s speaking to you what inspires you, wow, the magic is going to happen this month. That magic, that next level, that bridging the gap between who you are and who you want to be, bridging the gap between what you desire and actually smelling it, touching it, actually having it be , that the evidence will reveal itself.

Jordane Maree: You mentioned, when I was talking about the kind of tumultuous energy of this year, you said something like that’s like imperfect timing. Do you remember that, and what you meant by that?

Natalie Olson: I can’t remember exactly what I was referring to, but what’s really weird about numerology is that depending on the year, the new year doesn’t really feel like it starts until we reach the one universal month, which was April.

Jordane Maree: Can I just say that’s so aligned with the astrological new year.

Natalie Olson: Is it?

Jordane Maree: Yes.

Natalie Olson: I love that. And so, it’s before the new year, before that number one energy in April, it’s like a shit show. It’s a shit show, and the only reason why is because there’s a lot of cleanup, there’s a lot of processing, there’s a lot of let’s make sure that we’re cleaning house, let’s make sure that we’re prepping and we’re studying the stage. Because when we hit April and May, these two months that have a lot of new beginning energy, a lot of movement, a lot of progress, a lot of push, before we get there, we want to make sure that you’re ready, we want to make sure that you are stripping away anything that doesn’t align with you, the number one, letting go of any desires or goals that you had that were actually not a direct representation of you at your best.

The universe, I really believe that the bigger and greater energy knows what puts you at your best. It knows and is privy to that amazing emerald city that’s potential. And it will, in the initial phase of the year, it can seem like our prayers are not being answered, it can seem like we’re asking for help and we don’t receive it, but it’s actually because we have to first receive what we need before we can receive what we want.

Jordane Maree: So would you, purely based on these numbers, would you expect a lot of unfolding in the direction of revealing the presence of what we want to occur?

Natalie Olson: So, I would say that for those people who take that leap of faith and ask yourself where you’re conforming, I loved that, and then ask yourself where your inspiration is guiding you and acting on that. So there’s those people that are actually going to pick up that energy and do something with it. Those people are then going to be able to tap into receiving the million dollar idea, attracting the customers and clients that are suited for them, having the doorway, the incredible opportunity open up, that is the thing that you’ve been praying for. So all of that is there, should you take that leap of faith of saying, I’m going to trust myself, I’m going to listen to myself. And that’s a really important distinction to make again, coming back to the concept of timing cycles, is that sometimes we can like be like, oh, I’m just going to lie. Like you just let it wash over me and know.

I really believe that that bigger and greater energy is like here’s this tool, here’s this magic, that you have to pick up that want. So if you decide to leverage the 11, groundbreaking. This is like you’re in the shower, you receive that idea that you’ve been like, oh, you’ve been creatively blocked, it comes, where this is when you get that email out of the blue from a dream opportunity that you couldn’t have even conjured up. Like those kinds of things. That’s the energy of the 11. I do have one warning, and it’s me, it’s not really like a dire warning because I don’t believe in that, but one warning is with the 11, there’s heightened sensitivity and heightened intuition. And this can make people feel really, really wonky, irritable, reactive. And the only reason why is because we are misusing the 11. So I’m going to give you a little tip on how to remedy this. So you have to understand that your intuition is not your north star. Your intuition is a tool that is always available to you, but you have to be intentional, you have to give it a mission, you have to program the GPS of your intuition to say, this is what I’m wanting.

This just comes back to why it’s important to be alone for a moment in the morning to journal, to get clear on what’s on your heart and what’s inspiring you. Because that’s actually a very simple way of programming your intuition and saying, okay, now go help me find anybody that looks like this, sounds like this, or help me lean into anything that is like this. And that is so key because if you do not go and have that alone time, if you do not create an intentional practice of communicating to your creator and saying, let’s do this, let’s create this together, if we don’t do that, your intuition, bless its heart, your intuition is going to just throw you about in every direction. You could talk to a person and they could ruin your week because you’re so sensitive. That’s the 11. If you have an 11 in your chart, you relate to that. It’s like you talk to the wrong person and you want to give up your whole career sometimes. Seriously. Because that’s the intensity of the sensitivity.

So, in review, create just a really, even if it’s a five minute early morning practice where you journal and you really get clear on what your inspired heart is telling you. So, that’s sort of the magical practice. And that’s you programming your intuition to guide you. And I loved your added, I think that this is a great way to live your day. If you ever notice that you’re in conversation or something feels off, that you use it as an opportunity to come back to yourself and say, oh, wait a minute, what’s my truth here? Where’s my inspiration here? What is the thing that I want to say that puts a smile on my face? What’s the thing that I want to do that puts a skip in my step? That’s the higher function of the 11 is this inspired sparkle pony that’s like anything is possible.

Jordane Maree: Can I just show you this?

Natalie Olson: Aww.

Jordane Maree: It’s literally a sparkle pony.

Natalie Olson: Is that a pony? It’s a rainbow pony.

Jordane Maree: Yes, it’s a rainbow pony. That’s my drinking cup today.

Natalie Olson: That is so awesome. That’s you.

Jordane Maree: I guess that’s like an 11 cup.

Natalie Olson: That’s so good.

Jordane Maree: This was amazing. I’m going to open my notes because we had some cool stuff written down and I want to see if there’s– I think you touched on this, but just quickly, I don’t know. Seeing 1111 or seeing any number, you’ve said this to me before, can we stop, not stop, can we look past the, let me grasp this message, let me figure it out, let me decode this and return back to the awe and wonder of the divinity of receiving this synchronistic message?

Natalie Olson: Yes. I’m so happy you brought that up. To me, this is a little bit extreme, but to me, seeing a repeating number and then going and looking up the meaning of it is the equivalent of receiving love from your partner and then sitting down and writing out the traits about their body or their personality that you like. It doesn’t make sense to me on one level is my point. When we see repeating numbers, there’s this incredible spiritual magic that’s happening.

And when we see repeating numbers, it’s sort of like this moment when we’re being reminded that we don’t live in this world that is like Newtonian in nature, where it’s just globs of atoms running into each other. When we see repeating numbers, it’s waking us up from the matrix and recognizing that there is an infinite intelligence behind existence that is not only there, but it’s actually responding to us, it’s actually available, it’s actually in partnership with us. That’s what synchronicities are. And so I feel like we spend so much time trying to decode the symbology behind not only repeating numbers, but a lot of other things. And we miss that 99% of the magic is the simple truth that there’s a magical energy that is responding to your thoughts, your feelings, and your desires. And so people will ask me a lot, as a numerologist, what do I do when I see 11:11 on the clock, or 3:33? And I just smile, and then I go about my day.

Jordane Maree: Yes, that’s me.

Natalie Olson: And I’m not saying decoding, repeating numbers is fascinating. And what I put more emphasis on is I put emphasis on the dreams that are on my heart and using the gifts that are in my chart, using the numbers that are in my makeup to co-create with the universe and make those goals happen. That’s what I focus on. And I believe that these beautiful synchronicities are just simply my classic best friend, the 0 saying like, I got you, I’m here.

Jordane Maree: To me, it’s just this reminder that divinity is woven into every detail, which it brings back that awe factor of wow, I exist in all of this. Isn’t it insane? We went on a little trip recently, my partner and I, and we went into deep into nature, we were completely off the grid, and just some of the intricacy in the patterns and the designs in something like a flower or some of the trees were insane. Or we went to this beach that was just you could not swim in it because you’d probably die. It was like, [makes sound] like you’d just get taken off to Antarctica or something, but just, wow. I don’t know. Numbers along with so many other things, seeing a butterfly, thinking of how many grains of sand exist, like what the hell, those are all just like moments to bring me back to divine perfection and letting myself fall in love with myself and life again. It’s incredible.

Natalie Olson: That’s it. Sometimes the most transformative spiritual truths are the simplest.

Jordane Maree: Most of the time they’re, aren’t they?

Natalie Olson: They are. They’re all the time, I think.

Jordane Maree: Amazing. I feel like we’ve come to a natural ending.

Natalie Olson: This was so awesome.

Jordane Maree: Yes?

Natalie Olson: Yes. This is so good. This is so good.

Jordane Maree: You’re literally the first person to walk into this space, so thank you so much for doing that with me.

Natalie Olson: Can I say something not– you can keep recording, but this is just vulnerable, but you are such unnatural with a numerology. I know you are going to be successful interviewing anybody from any spiritual tradition or spiritual modality because you can just tap in. Like you were just tapping into that 11. That idea of, where am I conforming? Oh my God, that was so good. It was so good. You just offered up so much that even like deepened my awareness about the 11. Like, I was like, what? Like, I need to write this down. It was so, so incredibly good. So I know that.

Jordane Maree: You know what, I think if we could say that that’s available to me. Let me back up and I’ll share with you my relationship with astrology, numerology, anything. And this seeps into the realm of Akashic records where everything exists, basically. There’s this cosmic space where everything exists. I almost say, okay, when I was thinking about 11, it’s almost this container, or to me, it looks like a bubble, this bubble that exists in the cosmos that when I intentionally, purposefully say, I want to get to know you, I want to feel your energy, I want to feel your wisdom, it comes through the heart, it communicates with you.

You can open the door and you can step inside that bubble and you can become one with it for a moment. And there is so much wisdom there. For me, you can literally feel it moving through your body. And that’s what my relationship with astrology has always been about. It’s not about, let me tell you what’s going on, it’s about let me hold you here with some wisdom that’s been given to me while I tap into this energy. Let me hold you so that you can step into it and so that you can explore it. Because sure, it’s a universal energy, but the way that it interacts with each of us, it’s always unique, it’s always unique to our energy to what’s going on presently in our life.

And it always holds the most divine message that has the potential to just blast open in the most beautiful, nurturing way, everything that we need in that moment. And so I love, thank you so much for what you said, and I think that you can do this, everyone can do this. I always say, not always. I’ve said a few times, speak to a planet, speak to 11, speak to the moon while she’s full in this sign, speak to it, speak to them, speak to her, whatever resonates. Develop your own connection with it. Step inside of that little bubble of energy and just hang out there, see what’s going on. I think that that’s where we can find the most nurturing safety, and then from that safety, that inspiration and that almost inner power to take the steps that are true to us.

Natalie Olson: Do you notice that you have such a reverence for autonomy and individuality? Because everything that you just said is, I’m going to honor in others what I want to honor in myself. I want to honor the one in others that everybody has their own, that they’re going to receive their own messages, that they’re going to feel it or translate it in their own way, and that you can guide them there, you can help them swim in that soup, but that you’re giving them that incredible gift of self-discovery and self-exploration. And I know that that’s a huge part of your mission. And that’s the 11.

Jordane Maree: It’s huge, yes.

Natalie Olson: It’s like honoring, only you know, only you have access to your unique, customized, beautiful potential. You should share that part.

Jordane Maree: Thank you.

Natalie Olson: So you have my full permission to edit, do all the things that you guys want to do, and I just love being along for the ride. This has been so much fun.

Jordane Maree: Yes. Can I also just getting super real and vulnerable. There were moments through this where I was like, oops, I’m leaving myself a little bit.

Natalie Olson: Leaving?

Jordane Maree: Yes. Do you know what I mean by that?

Natalie Olson: No, tell me more of what you mean.

Jordane Maree: I feel like this moment here, this conversation, this part of this conversation is the most truthful almost. There were moments throughout where I’m like, oh, where I’m switching into listener mode from a million other perspectives of how am I being perceived? Or what did they need to hear? Literally what you said reaching out to your community like, what do you need from me instead of what do I need from me or what’s true to me? I could just feel myself going into more traditional interviewer mode, slipping in and out.

Natalie Olson: Well, I want to share with you what I see. So I’m trying to figure out a way to communicate the lower function and higher function of a number because it’s still kind of messy. Sometimes it sounds like I am making the number two, bad or wrong when it serves a purpose in you, and it’s really helpful and really good. And so what I saw is that there were moments when I could feel that you wanted to guide and hold the container.

And that’s really important because the 11 left to its own devices can go down like never ending rabbit holes, and I have that in myself too. And so what I saw was that you were having this beautiful balance of allowing us to go in this direction, and then bringing us back to let’s make sure that we’re covering some grounded things so that we’re honoring this container and we’re honoring our topic, or whatever it is. And so that’s what I felt. I almost feel like it might be helpful for you when you feel that urge to actually just honor it. Like honor, like, oh, that’s this energy that’s showing up, that’s wanting to make sure that this is organized and clear.

Jordane Maree: Yes, and approachable from wherever anyone is.

Natalie Olson: Yes. And so that’s one of the challenges of being a master path is that you want to hold both, the miracles that you have the ability to go into the two and to think about how can I do this in such a way that it is received? And that is important. That is important while also making sure that you’re honoring that you are voicing your truth and being in your true self within that container. So it’s that balance. And it’s a little bit of a challenge, but you did a great job. It was like we were able to have this super intuitive conversation and you held this container of, okay, what about this and what about that?

Jordane Maree: Thank you. What about you were saying that this is a new invitation for you to really take off the layers, take off the expert hat, take off the numerologist hat.

Natalie Olson: It’s so messy. Like it feels really messy to me, meaning that for me, I feel like I had similar feelings of an identity crisis. I’m like, what do I share, what do I not share? But it feels so good to– gosh, some of my favorite things were being able to just be in conversation with you and having that be revealed of what it’s like to just be natural in a conversation with you, to be riffing, to be exploring with you.

And that’s so therapeutic for me because one of the things that we’re both playing with is that I get to be paid just to be me. I get to attract just by being me. And that was like what I wanted out of this was just to be me. And sometimes being ourselves is also not performing or not checking all the items off the list or not– because I was like, oh, am I saying the right things, and am I being organized? And like, that’s my Virgo. And it’s like, no, the practice is just allowing the conversation to be enough.

Jordane Maree: Yes, that total presence of where the moment is guiding.

Natalie Olson: Yes. Exactly. I love it [01:54:44 – inaudible] that stuff.

Jordane Maree: I adore you so much. I adore you.

Natalie Olson: So, once you and Mustapha watch this and edit it, tell me what you think, and I already have a million ideas of other topics we could cover, it could be so much fun. So just know that I’m here to hold space with you for whatever ideas come up where we can merge astrology and numerology together. That could be a thing. I don’t know.

Jordane Maree: That could be very cool.

Natalie Olson: It could.

Jordane Maree: That could be very, very cool. And I think a lot of it will also go kind of, what’s the word? Explode out beyond that, there’s so much for us to explore that will just seep into undefinable categories, I feel like.

Natalie Olson: Oh yes. Oh, that’s so well said.

Jordane Maree: Because if anyone were to listen to a lot of the conversations that we do have, it’s very hard to put a title on them, because they go in so many different directions, and this is why I always come back to you and I’ve said to you so much, and I’ve said about this podcast, it’s about exploring this divine human experience, and that sometimes that isn’t definable, sometimes you can’t put that in a neat little box or in a three word title or something. And for me, that’s where I get the most from.

Natalie Olson: Me too. And I just got this idea. It’s a crazy idea. It’s really crazy. I got this crazy idea. Okay, if you do Voxer Pro, if you upgrade to Voxer Pro, you can download the audios. And I’ve never done it, but I upgraded so that I could delete myself because you can delete if you flub. But if I ever do it, you’ll see Natalie deleted this thing.

Jordane Maree: I’ll call you out.

Natalie Olson: [01:56:55 – crosstalk] listen. But if you upgrade to Voxer Pro, it says that you can actually download it into an mp3. So this could be something that we could just hold, it’s just a crazy idea, but what if we actually did a podcast episode every now and then, whatever, whatever would work where like if we find that a Voxer conversation is like, oh my gosh, that was so good and it’s not too vulnerable, that we can just put that up. And especially if it’s in context to your audience, obviously, it would have to be in context. But how cool would it be for people to actually to have it be so natural that it wasn’t even something intended or publishing.

Jordane Maree: I love that idea because I want this space to be so stripped back. To be vulnerable, to be real, raw. I’ve really, really found that that’s where the most value is. There are so many layers that we put on all the time, but the most healing, the most fulfillment, the most connection, the most love comes when those layers are off.

Natalie Olson: And that’s the best, I feel that’s when I’m my true self.

Jordane Maree: Me too, yes.

Natalie Olson: It feels like a little bit of a cop out because basically what I’m saying is if I don’t have the pressure of anything and I get to just be sending you a Vox or you send me a, and I get to have time to think about what I’m going to say and I could fuck it up and redo it, and it’s like that’s when something comes through. It’s just like with our art or with our poetry, but it’s like, that’s how it used to be for writers and poets. It’s like it would be from the private confines of your bedroom that you would blur this thought or this piece.

But then even Voxer, what’s cool about it is it’s like a conversation and it’s as raw as it can get because it’s vulnerable. So if you had a topic for a podcast episode, I don’t know how this would look, but we would want it to be about astrology and about you and your voice, but a stupid example would be, Natalie, what is the meaning of repeating numbers all about? And I’d be like, girl, okay, listen. Let me tell you all the things I believe about this. And I would just say it like I’m talking and then same, it’s like, I could ask you, what is astrologically happening in May or in June? I could ask you cool questions, and then if you liked one of them, if you’re like, oh my gosh, that last Vox I sent was like, [claps]. You could just throw it up as a five-minute podcast episode.

Jordane Maree: That’d be very cool. I would really enjoy that actually.

Natalie Olson: Anyway, so let’s just simmer on that, but. I really like this idea, so.

Jordane Maree: That’s exciting. Do you know that I’ve recorded three podcasts now and I deleted two of them.

Natalie Olson: Oh, really?

Jordane Maree: Yes.

Natalie Olson: Why?

Jordane Maree: I don’t know if this happens to you. This happened the first time I sent you a Vox, because it was the first time I’d used Voxer, and it’s like there’s this flow, I’ve got all of these, I feel something coming up that just needs to come out, and then I press that button, I press that bloody record button or that start button, and I just go, ugh, nope, nope. So the other day, I really felt that there was that inner calling to be like, record something, record something. There’s beautiful things happening right now, record it. And I tried and I deleted it, and I tried and I deleted it, and then I was like, okay, nope. I’m just going to sit here with this microphone and I’m just going to talk to it, and I’m not going to press record.

I’m just going to talk to it so that I can get a bit more familiar with expressing through words and not having that record button. It feels like something’s just coming down on me and coming down on me and coming down on me, and it’s squishing me. And that’s one of the reasons why I feel so, so grateful to get to do this with you because you are just like, nope, that’s not coming down on us today, we can be spacious here, we can be truthful here, we can let things flow here. And that’s really, that’s the beauty of what you’re talking about with Voxer because you are not thinking about all the people listening to it or you’re not thinking about do I say the right thing or the wrong thing or can I mess up?

It’s just that free expression. And I feel like that needs to be valued so much more. There’s so much working with or expressing to such a large platform that Girl and Her Moon very quickly turned into. To me, that added so much pressure to only say the right things, to try to include every human experience and things that I haven’t experienced as well, and it’s been rough. And I think you’ve mentioned once when someone like comments on an Instagram post and they say something that basically disagrees with what you’re saying, and you go into this, oh shit.

Natalie Olson: Oh, horrible reaction inside of myself.

Jordane Maree: Yes, I’m the same.

Natalie Olson: I feel like the thing for us to play around with is– when I’m making a podcast episode, because it’s private, and I can rerecord, and I can simmer in it, it’s interesting, there are certain creations I make that I care less if anybody doesn’t vibe with them because I do them for me, I suppose. And I think that that’s why this Voxer idea is coming through is just like, what are the creative ways that we can just show up being who we really are and share that with people because those conversations are the ones that people need to hear, because those are the ones where we’re being real. And that’s what I want, is I want to learn how to be more and more real.

I love where you’re saying that that’s what you wanted for the podcast was I think authenticity. But yes, imagine if I just asked you a question and you just riffed on it, and then I said, Jordane, you need to download that eight-minute Vox you sent and you need to just upload it tomorrow to your audience. What if that was the creative process? I don’t know about you, but for me, that’s what puts me at my best is when I’m just in a private, intimate conversation with somebody I care about. Anyway, I want us to just keep on thinking of creative ways to make it easy.

Jordane Maree: There been themes coming up of instead of fighting against my nature, how can I support my nature? Can I just say something that I run into a lot.

Natalie Olson: Yes, please.

Jordane Maree: Every time I say what’s coming up for me or what’s present for me, or when I do this and I do that, I get this little voice that’s like, oh, you’re selfish, you’re speaking about yourself, blah, blah, blah. And that’s a lot of stuff in my experience coming up, that voice [02:06:38 – inaudible]. And I’m always like, how do I express this in a way that could be of value to other people? But I can’t do that unless I’m speaking from my perspective. I forgot what I was trying to say because I felt that little [makes sound] voice.

Natalie Olson: Well, I don’t know if this is validating that, but. So I started following this woman on Instagram because I saw a reel that she made, and the reel was really funny. She was making fun of spiritual coaches, and I loved it, I thought it was hilarious because I have a very off sense of humor. I like when people– anyways, she’s like the codes and she was talking about all these things.

Jordane Maree: Oh, I think you shared that.

Natalie Olson: I did, I shared. Oh, that was one, but there was a different one. So this is different. So I loved her. I actually really like her because she’s very spiritual, but she’s also like, calls out stuff that’s a little bit wonky, but this woman had like this different one and she was talking about the codes, but she was also talking about make six figures and all of this stuff. So I started following her, and then I like was scrolling on her feed because I was like, she’s hilarious, I was scrolling on her feed, and I started getting this incredible sense of self-consciousness because, and this is like a topic for another time, but for all of the things that I processed by being triggered, and it was really fascinating. But there was a post that she made about all of the ridiculous terms that spiritual people use.

So she put on in it container, I was like fuck, alignment. Like all of these things that are literally a part of my vernacular, like I can’t stop saying them. And I started getting really self-conscious. It was like that mean girl vibe of like, oh no, don’t do this thing that people are going to ridicule. And this is coming up for me because you were like, when you hear yourself say, well what’s coming up for me is, or when you say these terms, it creates this block, this self-editing. Is that what it’s like?

Jordane Maree: Yes, for sure.

Natalie Olson: And so what I started to play around with is I started playing around with, I get to use whatever the fuck I want to use as my language, because I’m coming from my heart. I think there’s a validity. I think they’re picking up on, some people use these words, and there isn’t a feeling behind it, or maybe it’s a bit trite for certain people that use a word. But if you use that word because it resonates you use that term because you’re coming from your heart, it’s good to go. It’s good to go.

Jordan Maree: Do you know what else? Something that, that I was thinking when you were saying that there should be freedom in exploring before you’re fully reached the essence of something. I’m thinking back to a bit earlier when I was sharing 2019 when Girl and Her Moon was born, I was using words then that I didn’t fully grasp, but I can see the depth in them now. And I was using them because they were coming into my experience, they were coming into my awareness.

Natalie Olson: Good point.

Jordan Maree: And I shouldn’t have to wait until I feel like I’ve arrived somewhere in order to share. And that’s something that’s been on my heart quite a lot. This feeling that we need to be perfect before we can show up or this feeling like I need to know the right things to say all the time before I can be of service. I can be of service in my messiest state, and I’ve been thinking so much about honoring all of the human experience. What if the breaking down was just as beautiful as the blooming? What if our inner autumn or fall was just as beautiful as our spring and summer? Can we stop hiding away certain things that we deem invaluable because there’s so much value in bringing them forward, and so much connection comes from that.

Natalie Olson: What you’re doing right now, what you’re saying right now is like, we need to like record this and send it, and put it up because that’s so good.

Jordan Maree: Well, I was thinking just a little side note of maybe we can cut this podcast at a certain point, and then upload another one, and we’ll try to find some words that could be a title. Who knows what that would be?

Natalie Olson: It’ll be like just episode number three.

Jordan Maree: It’ll be container alignment magic. All the codes.

Natalie Olson: We’re going to talk about all the codes. Oh gosh. Well, man, Jordane, I know I keep stumbling, but this has just been so meaningful for me, and I just have a feeling that we’re touching upon something that’s– speaking of which, we’re touching upon something that’s developing into something that’s even more luminous than we can imagine.

Jordan Maree: Oh, for sure. Like that, we can feel one door opening, but then from behind that one door is a million other incredible beautiful, just ugh, like magic.

Natalie Olson: Yes. There’s so many possibilities.

Jordan Maree: When I was thinking about this podcast, I think I told you about that night where I woke up and I just was like, here it’s, and just this giant beautiful thing. And whenever I want to do something or whenever it kind of an idea or a desire drops in, it’s like freaking huge, like ginormous, and I’m like, yes, I’m a little human, how can I do all of that?

Natalie Olson: How am I going to start this big vision? Yes.

Jordan Maree: And it’s always so clunky at the start, and I do dislike that clunkiness, but I’ve got to get to love it because it’s part of it. But I was thinking about this podcast and I have so many ideas, so many people that I would love to talk to. So many episodes that I want to do with you, so many. You are just like, everyone will know your name, whoever’s listening anyway, will just be like, Nat, we know her. That’s what I see, but then I’m like, okay, should I take those steps? Should I be reaching out to these people that I want to talk to? And I’m like, oh no, I can’t because I don’t feel prepared enough just yet. I need to get more familiar with the process before I do those things.

And so there’s this weird stop-start thing going on here where I can see so much more. And actually, can I just– okay. 11, just coming back to that. I feel like 11 sees potential, just this boundless potential in whatever it sees. And I was thinking about that recently when I was like, why is it that everything that I do, I feel like needs to be huge. And I was like, is this coming from a lack of worth thing? Am I trying to prove something? What is it? And then quiet in my mind a little bit from running in all those different directions. And I was like, no, I see the beauty in this, I see the potential in it, I see how far it can go and how big and gorgeous and like luminous it can be, and I just want that to be born, like I want that so much.

And so that’s what I want for this podcast. And I’m in this weird stop-start space where I don’t even feel comfortable doing a one person episode. As I said, I literally recorded three and I have one because I deleted the others. But it’s in moments like these, I feel like I’m almost leaning on you and I hope that you feel like you can lean on me back, but being in this space is opening up how natural this can be and how not ready I can be to do the things.

Natalie Olson: Yes. And I’m doing that with you, I’m with you in that. It just keeps coming up for me, how can I spectacularly fail. What if we were to just embrace that we’re going to fail, that it’s going to be clunky, it’s going to be wonky, and we’re still showing up and our gifts are still irresistible and valuable. I oftentimes nerd out on how do I want to say this without sounding elitist because it kind of does, but I think we underestimate that even when we’re at our worst, even when the thoughts and ideas aren’t coming through, that because we are who we are, it’s still therapeutic for other people that are so hungry for this kind of perspective, wisdom, knowledge.

And so it’s not up to us, we don’t have to be perfect, it doesn’t have to be organized, it doesn’t have to be all the things that we can just allow ourselves to show up and to be guided. And so we need to nip that perfectionism, we do need to do that and just continue to, to show up. And I am like, if you look back on this recording and you were like, I feel called to rerecord because I think– I am here to just support you in showing up, but showing up in a way that you feel represents the vision for the podcast too.

I think that it’s okay, especially in the beginning to explore and to do trial and error. Like with my podcast I did, oh my God, I think the first, oh my God, I don’t even want to go back and listen to [02:18:24 – inaudible]. I don’t even want to go back, but I probably did like seven or eight takes, when I did my first solo episode, I probably did seven or eight takes before I was like, oh, now I’ve tapped into the thing I wanted to say.

Jordan Maree: Yes. You have to be in the energy of it to get in the flow. I’ve also kind of realized that I only really see the value in things once I’m really in them, and it can then be reflected back to me. Like the flow of the moon membership, it’s so close to my heart, but it started in the first month that we did, it was January, 2020, but I created it the month before, so it kind of started in December, 2019 under the Capricorn New Moon, and I’m a Capricorn rising, but anyway. If I look back and I have done this at the first three, maybe even four months, I look back and I’m like, Ooh. I’m like, oh my God.

Natalie Olson: Oh my gosh.

Jordan Maree: And at the same time, people got value from that, they really, really did. And it took me a little while to get into the groove of it to, experience also the energy of that container to see the value in it myself. And I’ve been thinking a lot about that, the fact that there’s been so many moments where I feel like I am failing, where I’m just doing shitty a job where I’m not going deep enough or I’m making the wrong decisions, and still, I’ve been able to create this beautiful brand, even with the doubt, even with the immense fears that sometimes come up, because they do, even with all of that, I’ve been able to create something beautiful, and that I could, for me, internally classify as successful. We don’t need to be fear free or know it all or fully see our worth in order to create something beautiful and magical. We can just do it every step of the way from wherever we are.

Natalie Olson: Ooh. Oh my gosh.

Jordane Maree: I have to remind myself of that in moments where I’m like, ooh, I can’t do this. I’m like, I thought I couldn’t do it, and I’ve been doing it.

Natalie Olson: Wow. That’s really good. That’s really good, Jordane. I’m going to actually write that down after, just that concept that we oftentimes don’t see the value of something until we’re really in it. So powerful. That could be a whole podcast episode. Could you just riff on that thought? My gosh.

Jordane Maree: See, this is what’s difficult. I try to title something and I go, okay, I try to structure it, and I sit down to talk about it, and I’m like, I don’t know what to say. I haven’t tapped into that flow where things can just naturally come through yet and then I can be like, oh, it was about that. Do you know what I mean?

Natalie Olson: Yes, I do. I do. I had this amazing creative collaborator who was on a project with me for numerologist.com, and I had that same problem, and she gave me this tip. She said before you go in to creatively write or speak, she said take the topic and then just intuitively tap in to what are the three things that people have to know about that title.

And I know that sounds basic English, like writing, but that one thing that she gave me got me through this huge project. So she would give me these little assignments for each module that we were doing, and it was like, wait, what’s the topic of the module? And then what are the three things that you just feel guided people need to know about that topic? And then I could go down the rabbit hole and be guided in that more intuitive way. But those things were these anchors that would bring me back. And it was a game changer for me to have those hacks.

Jordane Maree: That’s a good idea.

Natalie Olson: Yes, that’s how I do my podcast episodes too, is like, I’ll have a script, but the script is like, these are the main things that I’m getting downloads on. Like, these are the main concepts, and then I’ll just go phew, and I’ll just kind of go in other directions, but come back to those main things.

Jordane Maree: That’s a really good idea actually. The last episode that I tried to record, I was so silly. I was literally reading off a page, every word.

Natalie Olson: That’s not silly. I still do ones like that.

Jordane Maree: Well, I need to figure out how to read and sound human at the same time.

Natalie Olson: Not like a robot.

Jordane Maree: Yes. Because I listened to it and I was like, I can tell that I’m reading off a bit of paper right now.

Natalie Olson: In your journeys, it doesn’t sound like reading eating off a paper.

Jordane Maree: Those are mixed. Those are very mixed.

Natalie Olson: So whatever you do in your journeys, you just need to do the same thing with your podcast episodes.

Jordane Maree: That’s a very good idea actually.

Natalie Olson: Yes, those journeys are so intuitive. It doesn’t feel contrived, it feels like a natural channeling process. So what I did when we were doing the episode is I removed my face. So I put a document over my face.

Jordane Maree: Did you know?

Natalie Olson: Yes, because I’ll look at myself, just be like, where am I at? And I say, oh my God, was I like this? Because I was like, oh my God. So, anyways, we’ll see how it turns out.

Jordane Maree: I don’t think you were, but I’m so happy that we now have that.

Natalie Olson: Tell me more.

Jordane Maree: That is like literal up close and personal. You are embodying the essence of the podcast. Just vulnerable, fully raw.

Natalie Olson: Yes, just like if I was just [02:25:51 – inaudible] this the whole time, that would be the vibe. And then my husband, oh my God, he’s so sweet, he’d put up lights, but it’s like [02:26:04 – inaudible] all sweaty, but they’re really cool. They’re like you know the one, they’re like the professional ones that have the fabric, the white fabric over the light. Anyways.

Jordane Maree: Look at you. That’s amazing. And our partners the best. So yours is putting up lights for you, mine’s coming in at crisis, trying to figure out how to connect our audios to each other.

Natalie Olson: And so cute that he was getting in the camera. He was just-

Jordane Maree: Yes, that’s very much him.

Natalie Olson: Is he introvert. Is he shy?

Jordane Maree: Not shy. So a lot of my attachment to the word shy has been nervousness. I don’t think that’s actually what it is. He is reserved, but he doesn’t get nervous so much, because I was like, I’m shy, I get nervous, argh, people, that’s been my life, and he’s getting so much better, so much more calm, but he’s quite reserved, he’s quite private as well, quite private. He’s an eight life path and he’s a six expression number.

Natalie Olson: Expression?

Jordane Maree: Yes.

Natalie Olson: Oh my gosh. So I’m an eight life path, but my husband is as well, and he’s a three expression.

Jordane Maree: Oh, beautiful.

Natalie Olson: It’s beautiful. And I was really resonating with what you were saying because Nick is reserved, but he’s not nervous around people. So when Camie, my oldest first met him, we were going through a coffee drive-through, and so there’s these coffee drive-throughs here in the States called Dutch Brothers, and they only hire the bubbly, cute girls. And so we’re all like, we drive up, and she’s just like, hey, like, what do you want? How’s your day going?

And he’s just like, it’s going fine. Could I please have a black coffee? And Camie was like, when we drove away, she’s like, do you not care what people think? And he’s like, not really. And we’re like, but she was so bubbly, didn’t you? And he is like, no, I don’t really want to have a conversation. And we were both like, well, we’ve never met a specimen like you before.

Jordane Maree: I’ve been thinking about that actually. So often, I’m the exact same, where are you in your energy and how can I meet you to make you feel comfortable. And I’ve been realizing lately I’m not going to– okay, I was going to say, I don’t have the energy for that, but that’s not true. My energy is worth more than that. Where I put my energy is worth more than that.

Natalie Olson: Oh, that’s good.

Jordane Maree: And so I’ve been trying to balance this. It’s so hard because I want everyone to feel good all the time. I love people as much as sometimes they make me nervous, I love people, and I want them always to feel incredible and welcome and supported. But I’m trying to balance that between– exactly what you’re saying, I don’t know, being comfortable with, oh this is me right now, and I’m, yes, I don’t know.

Natalie Olson: It’s astounding to me. It’s been really therapeutic to be around it because it’s truly healthy, it’s not I’m better than somebody. It’s just he literally doesn’t care what people think. I’ve met people that are like, I don’t care what people think, and they’re volatile.

Jordane Maree: It’s a different energy.

Natalie Olson: It’s a different energy, but it’s sincerely like I don’t care, it’s so rooted.

Jordane Maree: Yes, I’m so rooted in myself that I’m good.

Natalie Olson: Yes. It’s been amazing. It’s been amazing. We went to a barbecue, this was months and months ago, but after I was like, oh my god, I’m so drained and I’m so depleted. And he is like, why? And I was like, well, because this mom was having a hard time, and so I was like trying to help her, and I had these conversations with all these people. And I was like, where were you? And he’s like, I was just sitting– and I remember he was just like sitting and just absorbing the sun in a lawn chair.

I was like, oh, that’s right. I was like, I can’t do that. And he’s like, yes, you can. If you want to, why don’t you? And I’m like, oh my God. So that’s the 11 in our chart that it’s like we have to learn that it’s safe and it’s okay to just be, to just take self. To not please anybody, all of that. Oh my God. I love these characters, I love these men. Ugh. Anyways. Well, I got to go. I’m surprised.

Jordane Maree: Is it late?

Natalie Olson: Well, this is just a little fact about me. I’m like an old lady. So it’s 10:15 right now.

Jordane Maree: I’m sorry.

Natalie Olson: No, no, this has been such a delight. And I’m running on adrenaline because this was so much fun. Like, I’m like, argh.

Jordane Maree: Oh my.

Natalie Olson: This is so much fun. But usually, at nine o’clock I’m on the couch like this.

Jordane Maree: Me too.

Natalie Olson: I fall asleep with my mouth open every time. So anyways, so I’m usually just out, so, yes. But speaking of Voxer I’m going to send you an update tomorrow because I want to process, I’m having ideas come through, this experience has been so amazing, and so I’m going to process some of that with you tomorrow, and so I can’t wait.

Jordane Maree: Yes. I can’t wait either. Thank you so much for doing this.

Natalie Olson: Yes. Oh my gosh. Thank you. No, thank you. This was a gift for me.

Jordane Maree: I’m glad. Okay, I’m excited to see how this turns out. All right. Have a good night.

About Girl and Her Moon, the Podcast

Join us as we:

⊹ Explore our hearts in one-on-one conversations.

⊹ Dive into our oneness with the cosmos through astrology and numerology.

⊹ Explore soul-based systems through which we can understand the world.

From topics like self-worth, creativity, expression, intuition, Soul, coming home to self. To astrology, numerology, tarot, channelling, business, energy, healing, akashic records and more. And topics that are undefinable and ungraspable. Exploring what it means to be alive, to be rooted in both our divinity and humanness, and returning to the space where they are one.

Hosted by Girl and Her Moon’s founder, Jordane Maree, this Podcast is a space to connect, share our experience, and become one for a moment.

There are no expectations here. Only spaciousness and invitations for truth.

At the core of this adventure:

Connection. Vulnerability. Authenticity. Truth. Love. Expansion. Realness.

Where we share from truth, not fear.

Where we witness the innate power in our vulnerability.

Where we take off the masks of expectation, of needing-to-know-it-all, of performance, of abandoning-the-self to fit in.

Where we explore self, and all that we meet as we stumble our way through this beautiful human experience.

Where we value all cycles of being alive. The moments of cracking open, the moments of beautiful bloom, the moments of confusion and doubt, the moments of excitement and clarity.

Where we value the breaking open and the becoming.

All of it is welcome here.

All my love,

Jordane

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